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Sherlock by olga tereshenko d9qdidc
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If you will, shoot me an email to chev.james@gmail.com.

Happy New Year!


Sherlock by olga tereshenko d9qdidc
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Ah, 'tis a complicated beast, that Model 100! But when they shoot, they really shoot!

Dave Petzal doesn't think they're that accurate . . . I was getting about 2 1/2-inch groups at 100 yards with mine, but I hope to improve upon that. In fact, I'm going to shoot it when I'm back home in a few days. I plan to refinish the stock over the holidays, too--trading that varnish for a nice, rubbed linseed oil finish! I've got four magazines for it now--would have had five, but my gunsmith misplaced one of them.

Gonna hit the road tomorrow--wish us luck!


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Come on now ChevySherlock, my gun operates like it was made yesterday. I took it apart and meticulously scrubbed every microscopic particle of it with a Q-Tip and Hoppe's No. 9 Powder Solvent and then lubricated it with Hoppe's No. 9 Lubricating Oil and wiped it dry. After a near nervous breakdown and about a week and a half of attempting to put it back together I had a professional gunsmith do it for me. An OLD professional gunsmith who said they gave him hell back in 1961 when he first started dealing with them. He actually congratulated me on not bringing it to him in a box.

I have probably put 100 rounds through it since the cleaning and it's still as smooth as butter. Prettiest semi-automatic rifle ever made in my book.

Thanks for the information though, I have noticed if I really try I can get 5 rounds in the mag but I can tell it really only wants 4 so I feed it accordingly. Loctite the screw behind the trigger guard, aye aye captain.


Sherlock by olga tereshenko d9qdidc
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More Winchester Model 100 lore (from forums):

1. It is best to Loctite the screw behind the trigger guard. If this screw loosens, even one turn, it will cause the rifle to jam.

2. You have to keep the chamber and gas system scrupulously clean. A dirty chamber and gas system can cause the extractor to "peen" into the bolt, deepening the extractor cut. Then you have to get a new bolt.

3. If you ever have extraction problems, make sure the chamber and gas system are really clean--and if that doesn't solve the problem, order a new extractor from Nu-Line Guns. The extractor has to be installed with the proper geometry, or it won't work right. Extractors are available for two ranges of serial numbers. Get a new extractor spring and ejector springs, as well.

3. The magazines will hold only four rounds. Stuffing in five will damage them.

4. A good investment would be a new stainless steel gas piston from Brownell's. https://www.brownells.com/search/index.htm?k=Wi... It's also available through Nu-Line Guns: http://www.nulineguns.com/parts.php The old gas pistons were carbon steel, and they can do corrode easily, which will lead to cycling and extraction problems.

Merry Christmas!


Sherlock by olga tereshenko d9qdidc
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That's a beautiful Model 70 Supergrade--with a beautiful fiddleback walnut stock! Love the caliber--I have a Brazilian Mauser in that caliber. Great scope atop it, as well!

Will send you some pics of my guns when I get down South!

I will be restocking my Model 70 Safari Express with the stock I got from Gun Parts Corp. The stock on it currently was inletted catty-wampusly. When they did the stock inletting at New Haven, some worker screwed up a whole production run by not properly aligning the stocks in the inletting jig. Hopefully this replacement stock won't suffer that problem. Kind of a shame--because the cattywampus stock had some nice figure in the wood. This rifle is in .416 Remington Magnum.

I also need to make a small cosmetic repair to the rosewood forend tip on my Weatherby Mark V in .300 Weatherby, which I bought waaaay back in 1974.

I got a bipod and new scope for my AR-180, which I will try out when back in Alabama. There's a Civilian Marksmanship Program (CMP) range about 25 miles from where I live--and it's a state of the art electronic range.

I'd like to have an "all-weather" rifle some time . . . don't want to take wood-stocked rifles in the rain! Especially a Supergrade wood stock with a beautiful fiddleback pattern!


Dr. ralph club zps9ornptsl
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How about the wood on that thing? Whoo hoo!!http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii61/DR_RALP...


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Yeah it's a .308. I don't really think the .243 is enough gun for where I hunt. It's easy to lose a deer in the hills and hollows of Tennessee if it runs more than 100 yards or so, and I like a little margin for error when I shoot.

It really is a classic gun though. Now that I think about it I bought it after I missed a coyote and it ran across a field in front of me. I was thinking if I just had a semi-auto I could have fired three or four more shots and maybe got him. Then I had so much trouble getting this gun to feed at first that by the time I had it all sorted out Winchester started making my dream gun.

The FN USA made Model 70 Supergrade in 7X57. Paid like $1,600 for that rifle and put a $1,000 scope on it and haven't hunted with anything else. I may never take another gun into the woods, I absolutely love it.
http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii61/DR_RALP...


Sherlock by olga tereshenko d9qdidc
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You've got a really nice one--pre-64, too! Mine is almost perfect except for that one little scraped area near the toe of the stock--which I'll remedy over the holidays. I assume yours is also in .308? I hear that the ones in .243 have virtually no recoil!

The extended magazines were made by Colyer, and are of quite dubious quality. I read in some forums that some people used them, but even my gunsmith couldn't get it to work with my 100. I advise to stay away from them--they run around $165 and in my case was nothing but a paperweight.

I would recommend sending the Zeiss in to a scope repair shop to have the elevation adjustment checked. Those scopes have great glass and it would be worth a small charge to salvage such a great scope!

I once mounted a Weaver K4 on a .300 Weatherby Mark V, and the scope couldn't hold the adjustments under the Weatherby's recoil. I sent the scope back to Weaver (that's when they were still operating out of El Paso), and they put in strengthened springs and the problem was solved. I later put that same scope on a Model 70 in .30/06 that belonged to my dad. The optics are crystal clear. I won't change anything about that rifle because it's the one my dad had.

I bought one Weaver 2-7X on eBay and it wouldn't hold adjustments, either. Maybe I'll send that one off someday. A brand new one that I bought and put on the Winchester 100 has given zero problems.

I'll feel a lot better when you get that firing pin replaced--a little bit of a hassle, but you don't have to worry about the gun blowing up in your face! If I recall correctly, I sent the firing pin to Winchester and they sent me a new firing pin--they want the old one first so they know it has been taken out of circulation!

One thing about these 100s--problems with doubling and the hammer following the bolt home seem to happen mostly when firing from the bench. If you are firing from a regular shooting position, they don't seem to happen. I truly hope the kinks are worked out of mine--Dave Petzal said I'd be the first if my gunsmith succeeded. I'm betting that it's gonna be a great deer rifle!



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They are really pretty. I bought mine for about $600 and haven't even taken it hunting. It was just so sweet looking I had to have one.

I mounted a scope on it and it shot in the dirt 10 yards in front of the target at 100 yards. I couldn't even get it on paper so I figured I must have the wrong mounts. I can hit a paper plate with the open sights and it looks better without the scope so I just left it like it is.

That was a couple of years ago and I just tried mounting that same scope on a 1964 Remington 700 ADL 30-06 and it did the same thing. Shot a mile low and wouldn't adjust up and I know this gun has the right mounts. So obviously I have a $450 Zeiss scope that is toast. I might try to scope the Winchester 100 again just to see how accurate it is.

And yeah I looked around for an extended magazine for it and I couldn't find one. I would love to have a 10 or 15 shot mag for it, who makes them? Well then again if yours wouldn't even plug in to the gun I don't need that... I'd like to know who made it though so I can make sure I don't buy one.


Sherlock by olga tereshenko d9qdidc
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My wife was on the old site; she has not joined up with the new one. Her picture and mine is in my avatar.

My 100 is in great condition, except for one little place near the toe of the stock where it got "skinned" on something. I hope to refinish the stock over the Christmas holidays. The bluing is perfect. I have replaced the extractor and gas piston, and had my gunsmith work on it. He said the chamber was dirty, even though I had cleaned it with a brass brush wrapped with 0000 steel wool! Anyway, it seems to be shooting all right now. If you ever replace the gas piston, get the stainless steel one from Brownell's. The aftermarket magazines, made by Wisner's, are supposedly stronger and better than the originals. I have two Winchester and two Wisner magazines. I got an extended magazine that wasn't worth two cents. It wouldn't even seat! I also put a Weaver 2-7X scope on the rifle. I'd like to take it deer hunting some time . . . I think these were the sleekest, best looking semi-auto hunting rifles ever produced. But reassembly is pure hell with them!


Dr. ralph club zps9ornptsl
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Aren't you married to someone who is usually on this site? Who is it?

And yes now that you have explained to me what was going on with those faulty firing pins I do need to call Winchester and make sure my rifle has been upgraded. I didn't realize they were blowing up in people's faces, that is a real danger. My rifle is practiaclly in new condition though, I think a non hunter owned it and it just sat in a closet for 50 years.


Sherlock by olga tereshenko d9qdidc
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Source for Winchester 100 magazines:
https://www.brownells.com/magazines/rifle-magaz...

Source for some Winchester 100 parts:
http://www.nulineguns.com/category_part_64_2_21...

Source for some other Winchester 100 parts:
https://www.gunpartscorp.com/gun-manufacturer/w...

Info on Winchester 100 firing pin recall:
https://www.shootersforum.com/warning-notices-r...


Sherlock by olga tereshenko d9qdidc
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The old firing pin had the nasty habit of breaking and protruding through the firing pin hole in the bolt. Then, when the bolt would chamber the next round, the protruding firing pin would fire the chambered cartridge before the locking lugs could engage--blowing up the rifle. There was a number to call: 1-800-852-5734 at Winchester. You will be directed to Nu-Line guns. You will have to send in the old firing pin to get the new one, as I recall, anyway. You'd also get a check for something like $30 to have a gunsmith install the new firing pin. I did it myself and kept the $30--but I had to spend it on Scotch to get the rifle apart and back together. But get that firing pin replaced--there were scores of Model 100s that blew up. You'll need the rifle's serial number when you call. Winchester knows if a rifle has had the firing pin replaced or not. I will say this: the 100 is the most difficult firearm to disassemble and reassemble--that I've ever experienced!


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Hey you shouted yourself! I just found it though. The first time I shouted here I shouted myself, it's easy to do. You must be a heck of a gunsmith to have put that 100 together. I had a video and all and put it together 3 or 4 times but it wasn't right. I haven't had the firing pin replaced. I've only had the gun a couple of years and figured it had already been done. What's wrong with it?


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I shot a deer at 4:30 today, just a little 3 point buck and I got a doe last weekend. I'm using a Winchester Model 70 Supergrade in 7mm Mauser though. My Winchester 100 is a .308


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Yeah my 100 shoots perfectly, no thanks to me. When I bought it it was so gunked up the action would barely close even if you hand loaded a round. I took it apart to clean it and could never get it back together again. My congratulations to you if you have done so.

I took it to a gunsmith and now it works as if it were new. Well I had to buy a $60 magazine, the original was shot. I'm still not sure where they come up with new magazines for a gun that hasn't been made in 44 years.

Mine is the older model, a 1963 that has the hand checkering instead of the pressed basket weave stock. I actually think the basket weave is better looking.


Sherlock by olga tereshenko d9qdidc
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I found it!
Now, tell me about your Winchester Model 100--does it still shoot?
I am "restoring" one!


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