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So the unemployment office sent more payments than they should which somehow created a debt to them.

Now they want me to pay back the difference before I'm ever eligible to go on unemployment again as if it's my responsibility to decide when they should have sent payments to someone or not.

Now that they've "over-paid" me and want it back, I'll never make enough to settle even a small debt with them.

They have interest accruing on it!!!

So now I'm ineligible for any further unemployment. Because they messed up I never get to be eligible for that benefit again.


Isn't this country just a crock of HORSE SH*T!

I'm disgusted with American hypocrisy it's SICK

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Research, "Accept For Value," or "A4V."
You might be able to settle the debt without having to actually pay.

Sorry to hear of your situation - consider it small to what it could have been.

Neglegence on their part does not constitute responsibility on yours.
Lawyer up.

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Yeah I got food stamps for about a week when I was supporting a wife and 5 kids by myself... they came by the house and I had a boat and guns and nice cars and they told me I had to sell things because I had too much stuff. Thought I might be making money by some illegal means or something cough cough. I refused so they told me to pay them back, but I never did. With interest I probably owe them a million dollars, it was 30 years ago.

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It sounds like you got accidentally sent more money than you were supposed to get and so they want the difference.

I mean...sounds logical to me. Not sure if i'm understanding the issue here. Are you saying that you're not gainfully employed yet and can't pay it back yet? Then i sympathize. But otherwise it sounds like you're justifying yourself on the logic of no-backsies.

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So this site seems to suggest that if you were ovsrpaid due to a clerical error and not because you gave false info when doing your unemployment form then you should be able to appeal and get some kind of waiver. Im not sure if this info is state-specific:


https://ptla.org/do-i-have-repay-unemployment-b...

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Lano wrote:
It sounds like you got accidentally sent more money than you were supposed to get and so they want the difference.

I mean...sounds logical to me. Not sure if i'm understanding the issue here. Are you saying that you're not gainfully employed yet and can't pay it back yet? Then i sympathize. But otherwise it sounds like you're justifying yourself on the logic of no-backsies.

Let's see how the logic works when you put yourself in THEIR place. Please go agree to pay a man hundreds of dollars a week that you know is not working and is searching for a job while being quite aware a job offer is never guaranteed, with a set amount of weeks in mind. But accidentally pay the man a few weeks more than you intended.


When it all boils down to the basics, who would be the stupid ****fuck in this situation?

The answer is you sir.

No one in their right mind would say "Okay I'll go pay that jobless man hundreds of dollars a week."

MUCH LESS THINK YOU'RE GOING TO GET MONEY FROM SOMEONE WHO ISN'T WORKING OR HAVING A HARD TIME FINDING WORK.

That's the logic. And it's sad I live in a world where they actually call that logic LOL

And no, to answer your question in half a decade I haven't been able to pay it back yet, it's been impossible I haven't had the means. Otherwise do you think I'd give up unemployment benefits for a less than a couple thousand dollars?

I'm cheap but I'm still reasonable.


So go ahead, and I mean all of my reply in all friendliness, but I want you to go pay a man without a job some money and see if you ever, ever, EVER get 1 single penny back. You'll never expect to be paid back over-payments from an unemployed person ever again I promise LOL

Would you do it?

F*CK NO YOU WOULDN'T.

Now the government has put this service in place for us anyway.
And it would be a great benefit if it didn't work out they can set you up to owe a balance effectively kicking you out of ever getting the benefit again.


No one can argue how unfair that is. I don't know their payment limits or what their policies are THAT'S THEIR JOB.


Ba1 is right I need to grab a lawyer.


But if I could AFFORD A LAWYER I'D PROBABLY BE BETTER OFF PAYING THE UNEMPLOYMENT OFFICE BACK.

it's a catch 22 and i'm sick of this bullshit. It's hypocrisy and double talk turned into logic at its finest.

Cognitive dissonance much? LOL

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Poor people can get lawyers too. Call a legal services place and tell them about your predicament, they usually have connections and can clear stuff like this up without ever going to court. I was poor for a long time I know all about it...

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Lano wrote:
So this site seems to suggest that if you were ovsrpaid due to a clerical error and not because you gave false info when doing your unemployment form then you should be able to appeal and get some kind of waiver. Im not sure if this info is state-specific:


https://ptla.org/do-i-have-repay-unemployment-b...

Thank you I'll look into this. I know I would never give false info to them on purpose. The only way that could be my fault is if I did something in the paperwork signing up that I'm not aware of. I guess that's possible but it's been over 5 years I'd have to see it again to remember for sure.

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DocteurRalph wrote:
Poor people can get lawyers too. Call a legal services place and tell them about your predicament, they usually have connections and can clear stuff like this up without ever going to court. I was poor for a long time I know all about it...

I could probably use a lot of your advice then LOLOL

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Let's see how the logic works when you put yourself in THEIR place. Please go agree to pay a man hundreds of dollars a week that you know is not working and is searching for a job while being quite aware a job offer is never guaranteed, with a set amount of weeks in mind. But accidentally pay the man a few weeks more than you intended.


When it all boils down to the basics, who would be the stupid ****fuck in this situation?

The answer is you sir.

No one in their right mind would say "Okay I'll go pay that jobless man hundreds of dollars a week."

MUCH LESS THINK YOU'RE GOING TO GET MONEY FROM SOMEONE WHO ISN'T WORKING OR HAVING A HARD TIME FINDING WORK.

That's the logic. And it's sad I live in a world where they actually call that logic LOL

And no, to answer your question in half a decade I haven't been able to pay it back yet, it's been impossible I haven't had the means. Otherwise do you think I'd give up unemployment benefits for a less than a couple thousand dollars?

I'm cheap but I'm still reasonable.


So go ahead, and I mean all of my reply in all friendliness, but I want you to go pay a man without a job some money and see if you ever, ever, EVER get 1 single penny back. You'll never expect to be paid back over-payments from an unemployed person ever again I promise LOL

Would you do it?

F*CK NO YOU WOULDN'T.

Now the government has put this service in place for us anyway.
And it would be a great benefit if it didn't work out they can set you up to owe a balance effectively kicking you out of ever getting the benefit again.


No one can argue how unfair that is. I don't know their payment limits or what their policies are THAT'S THEIR JOB.


Ba1 is right I need to grab a lawyer.


But if I could AFFORD A LAWYER I'D PROBABLY BE BETTER OFF PAYING THE UNEMPLOYMENT OFFICE BACK.

it's a catch 22 and i'm sick of this bullshit. It's hypocrisy and double talk turned into logic at its finest.

Cognitive dissonance much? LOL

I assumed this was something that happened recently where you likely still had at least most of the money in question to give back.

In any case, I agree if you are on unemployment it's not your job to make sure that you're not getting paid more than your supposed to.

I live in a state where, the way it works, is every week, after you initially register for the benefits, you "certify" that you are still unemployed so that you can keep getting the check.

My father, since COVID, had been on unemployment, and because he doesn't do computers too good it was my job to set it all up for him and to certify his benefits every week.

Recently he got a job though, but we weren't sure if it was a one-off off-the-books type thing or if he was gainfully employed again. Turned out he was "gainfully" employed. The problem is he never told me that, so I certified the benefits a week or two longer than I was supposed to.

The point being that I know honest mistakes happen on both sides, both on benefit-receiver side (in my case) and the gov't side (your case).


However, on the other hand...the gov't is NOT a person so I think the analogy you set up there doesn't quite match the situation. A bureaucratic organization is giving you money because of a legal mandate that requires them to when you fulfill certain requirements.

While giving you the money is supposedly the main part of the purpose of their existence, another part is preventing fraud. And the machinery used to accomplish those goals is likely often opposed to each other and leads to contradictory results, as you note here.

It's bureaucracy, and the bigger and more complicated a bureaucracy is, the more likely BS like what is happening to you will happen. You had the best intentions, and if it really was a one-on-one personal relationship, then yes, they would know that OH I accidentally gave you too much money, and that is money you've already used cause you got financial problems and have bigger things to worry about than what number of weeks you had been getting the money.

But it's more like you're dealing with a robot and the robot's automatic "you got money you weren't supposed to get" detector went off and now it's out for blood and you have to do something to satisfy that blood-hunger.

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My reply pending approval prolly cus curse words (โ—”_โ—”)

I just don't get it because there weren't any curses in my message, they were in anon's message, so why did I get dinged but anon didn't???

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Lano wrote:
My reply pending approval prolly cus curse words (โ—”_โ—”)

I just don't get it because there weren't any curses in my message, they were in anon's message, so why did I get dinged but anon didn't???

I've been screaming these nsfw filters are retarded since this site came back after cbs crashed it..........


SCREAMING IT

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This post waa actually good timing so now i know what expect if the gov't comes after us for that extra week or two

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