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List of "HOW DARE YOU" LIES I was once made to believe:

the Tooth Fairy
the Easter Bunny
Santa Claus
God
The law is fair (this one still makes me laugh-.-)
America is the greatest/freest country in the world
Work hard and be rewarded
Circumcision without consent at birth is good(more a theft AND a lie)
"You're special"

Ha!

The list could go on...

Imagination is one thing but of all the ways to f*ck up a human being? I can't think of anything more sadistic and pervasive than what one human being can do to another.

Are humans so screwed up that they really think it's just harmless fun to actually rock another's reality? Make them doubt everything and take away their ability to trust? Are they so screwed up and evil that our own parents are the first to lie to us? And so thoroughly let you believe in stupid nonsense that it becomes your reality?

Or is it really not the fault of humans? That somehow these things happen because humans were indoctrinated to believe these things are okay?
Is it even possible that they themselves do not understand the chaos and damage they wreak to others earliest selves?

And to have it persist into adulthood. Only to be handed off to a society which will do the same or worse. Every-single-day.


Why do we do this?

My whole life has been the same consistent, never-ending thought, over and over and over and over and over again:

"Oh, you're a liar."
"Oh, you're a liar."
"Oh, you're a liar."
"Oh, you're a liar."
"Oh, you're a liar."
"Oh, you're a liar."
"Oh, you're a liar."
"Oh, you're a liar."
"Oh, you're a liar."
"Oh, you're a liar."
"Oh, you're a liar."
"Oh, you're a liar."


We will never mature.

Afterlive's *smh*...We all die.
If you ever have kids, teach them to be prepared for that. Teach them about death and loss. Get them a pet early in their life so they know how to love and nurture something, and when it dies teach them how understand how to deal with it.

Tell them the truth. Don't fill their heads with stupid nonsense like the things on my list. It's not a huge list but they can be devastating.

Teach them about logic. Teach them they're not the only one's that's important. Teach them how to count change and balance a checkbook please for GOD's SAKE.


This sh*t's hard. Pretending it's going to be Peter Pan and fairy-tales the rest of their lives hurts, doesn't help.


Somehow compared to genocide and other worldly destruction these moral issues get categorized under "small issues" but I don't think they are. This stuff seems pretty foundational to me.

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List of "HOW DARE YOU" LIES I was once made to believe:¬ ¬ the Tooth Fairy¬ the Easter Bunny¬ Santa Claus¬ God¬ The law is fair (this one still makes me laugh-.-)¬ America is the greatest/freest country in the world¬ Circumcision without consent at birth is good(more a theft AND a lie)¬ ¬ Ha!¬ ¬ ¬ Imagination is one thing but of all the ways to f*ck up a human being? I can't think of anything more sadistic and pervasive than what one human being can do to another. ¬ ¬ Are humans so screwed up that they really think it's just harmless fun to actually rock another's reality? Make them doubt everything and take away their ability to trust? Are they so screwed up and evil that our own parents are the first to lie to us? And so thoroughly let you believe in stupid nonsense that it becomes your reality?¬ ¬ Or is it really not the fault of humans? That somehow these things happen because humans were indoctrinated to believe these things are okay? ¬ Is it even possible that they themselves do not understand the chaos and damage they wreak to others earliest selves?¬ ¬ ¬ ¬ And to have it persist into adulthood. Only to be handed off to a society that will do the wreak to others earliest selves?¬ ¬ ¬ ¬ And to have it persist into adulthood. Only to be handed off to a society that will do the same or worse. ¬ ¬ ¬ ¬ ¬ Why do we do this?

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List of "HOW DARE YOU" LIES I was once made to believe:¬ ¬ the Tooth Fairy¬ the Easter Bunny¬ Santa Claus¬ God¬ The law is fair (this one still makes me laugh-.-)¬ America is the greatest/freest country in the world¬ Circumcision without consent at birth is good(more a theft AND a lie)¬ ¬ Ha!¬ ¬ ¬ Imagination is one thing but of all the ways to f*ck up a human being? I can't think of anything more sadistic and pervasive than what one human being can do to another. ¬ ¬ Are humans so screwed up that they really think it's just harmless fun to actually rock another's reality? Make them doubt everything and take away their ability to trust? Are they so screwed up and evil that our own parents are the first to lie to us? And so thoroughly let you believe in stupid nonsense that it becomes your reality?¬ ¬ Or is it really not the fault of humans? That somehow these things happen because humans were indoctrinated to believe these things are okay? ¬ Is it even possible that they themselves do not understand the chaos and damage they wreak to others earliest selves?¬ ¬ ¬ ¬ And to have it persist into adulthood. Only to be handed off to a society that will do the same or worse. ¬ ¬ ¬ ¬ ¬ . Every-single-day.¬ ¬ ¬ ¬ ¬ ¬ ¬ Why do we do this?

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List of "HOW DARE YOU" LIES I was once made to believe:¬ ¬ the Tooth Fairy¬ the Easter Bunny¬ Santa Claus¬ God¬ The law is fair (this one still makes me laugh-.-)¬ America is the greatest/freest country in the world¬ Circumcision without consent at birth is good(more a theft AND a lie)¬ ¬ )¬ "You're special"¬ ¬ Ha!¬ ¬ ¬ Imagination is one thing but of all the ways to f*ck up a human being? I can't think of anything more sadistic and pervasive than what one human being can do to another. ¬ ¬ Are humans so screwed up that they really think it's just harmless fun to actually rock another's reality? Make them doubt everything and take away their ability to trust? Are they so screwed up and evil that our own parents are the first to lie to us? And so thoroughly let you believe in stupid nonsense that it becomes your reality?¬ ¬ Or is it really not the fault of humans? That somehow these things happen because humans were indoctrinated to believe these things are okay? ¬ Is it even possible that they themselves do not understand the chaos and damage they wreak to others earliest selves?¬ ¬ ¬ ¬ And to have it persist into adulthood. Only to be handed off to a society that will do the same or worse. Every-single-day.¬ ¬ ¬ ¬ ¬ ¬ ¬ Why do we do this?

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List of "HOW DARE YOU" LIES I was once made to believe:¬ ¬ the Tooth Fairy¬ the Easter Bunny¬ Santa Claus¬ God¬ The law is fair (this one still makes me laugh-.-)¬ America is the greatest/freest country in the world¬ Circumcision without consent at birth is good(more a theft AND a lie)¬ "You're special"¬ ¬ Ha!¬ ¬ ¬ !¬ ¬ The list could go on...¬ ¬ Imagination is one thing but of all the ways to f*ck up a human being? I can't think of anything more sadistic and pervasive than what one human being can do to another. ¬ ¬ Are humans so screwed up that they really think it's just harmless fun to actually rock another's reality? Make them doubt everything and take away their ability to trust? Are they so screwed up and evil that our own parents are the first to lie to us? And so thoroughly let you believe in stupid nonsense that it becomes your reality?¬ ¬ Or is it really not the fault of humans? That somehow these things happen because humans were indoctrinated to believe these things are okay? ¬ Is it even possible that they themselves do not understand the chaos and damage they wreak to others earliest selves?¬ ¬ ¬ ¬ And to have it persist into adulthood. Only to be handed off to a society that will do the same or worse. Every-single-day.¬ ¬ ¬ ¬ ¬ ¬ ¬ Why do we do this?

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List of "HOW DARE YOU" LIES I was once made to believe:¬ ¬ the Tooth Fairy¬ the Easter Bunny¬ Santa Claus¬ God¬ The law is fair (this one still makes me laugh-.-)¬ America is the greatest/freest country in the world¬ Circumcision without consent at birth is good(more a theft AND a lie)¬ "You're special"¬ ¬ Ha!¬ ¬ The list could go on...¬ ¬ Imagination is one thing but of all the ways to f*ck up a human being? I can't think of anything more sadistic and pervasive than what one human being can do to another. ¬ ¬ Are humans so screwed up that they really think it's just harmless fun to actually rock another's reality? Make them doubt everything and take away their ability to trust? Are they so screwed up and evil that our own parents are the first to lie to us? And so thoroughly let you believe in stupid nonsense that it becomes your reality?¬ ¬ Or is it really not the fault of humans? That somehow these things happen because humans were indoctrinated to believe these things are okay? ¬ Is it even possible that they themselves do not understand the chaos and damage they wreak to others earliest selves?¬ ¬ ¬ ¬ And to have it persist into adulthood. Only to be handed off to a society thatwhich will do the same or worse. Every-single-day.¬ ¬ ¬ ¬ ¬ ¬ ¬ Why do we do this?

Anonymous edited this post .

List of "HOW DARE YOU" LIES I was once made to believe:¬ ¬ the Tooth Fairy¬ the Easter Bunny¬ Santa Claus¬ God¬ The law is fair (this one still makes me laugh-.-)¬ America is the greatest/freest country in the world¬ Circumcision without consent at birth is good(more a theft AND a lie)¬ "You're special"¬ ¬ Ha!¬ ¬ The list could go on...¬ ¬ Imagination is one thing but of all the ways to f*ck up a human being? I can't think of anything more sadistic and pervasive than what one human being can do to another. ¬ ¬ Are humans so screwed up that they really think it's just harmless fun to actually rock another's reality? Make them doubt everything and take away their ability to trust? Are they so screwed up and evil that our own parents are the first to lie to us? And so thoroughly let you believe in stupid nonsense that it becomes your reality?¬ ¬ Or is it really not the fault of humans? That somehow these things happen because humans were indoctrinated to believe these things are okay? ¬ Is it even possible that they themselves do not understand the chaos and damage they wreak to others earliest selves?¬ ¬ ¬ ¬ And to have it persist into adulthood. Only to be handed off to a society which will do the same or worse. Every-single-day.¬ ¬ ¬ ¬ ¬ ¬ ¬ Why do we do this??¬ ¬ ¬ ¬ My whole life has been the same consistent, never-ending thought, over and over and over and over and over again:¬ ¬ "Oh, you're a liar."¬ "Oh, you're a liar."¬ "Oh, you're a liar."¬ "Oh, you're a liar."¬ "Oh, you're a liar."¬ "Oh, you're a liar."¬ "Oh, you're a liar."¬ "Oh, you're a liar."¬ "Oh, you're a liar."¬ "Oh, you're a liar."¬ "Oh, you're a liar."¬ "Oh, you're a liar."

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List of "HOW DARE YOU" LIES I was once made to believe:¬ ¬ the Tooth Fairy¬ the Easter Bunny¬ Santa Claus¬ God¬ The law is fair (this one still makes me laugh-.-)¬ America is the greatest/freest country in the world¬ Circumcision without consent at birth is good(more a theft AND a lie)¬ "You're special"¬ ¬ Ha!¬ ¬ The list could go on...¬ ¬ Imagination is one thing but of all the ways to f*ck up a human being? I can't think of anything more sadistic and pervasive than what one human being can do to another. ¬ ¬ Are humans so screwed up that they really think it's just harmless fun to actually rock another's reality? Make them doubt everything and take away their ability to trust? Are they so screwed up and evil that our own parents are the first to lie to us? And so thoroughly let you believe in stupid nonsense that it becomes your reality?¬ ¬ Or is it really not the fault of humans? That somehow these things happen because humans were indoctrinated to believe these things are okay? ¬ Is it even possible that they themselves do not understand the chaos and damage they wreak to others earliest selves?¬ ¬ ¬ ¬ And to have it persist into adulthood. Only to be handed off to a society which will do the same or worse. Every-single-day.¬ ¬ ¬ ¬ ¬ ¬ ¬ Why do we do this?¬ ¬ ¬ ¬ My whole life has been the same consistent, never-ending thought, over and over and over and over and over again:¬ ¬ "Oh, you're a liar."¬ "Oh, you're a liar."¬ "Oh, you're a liar."¬ "Oh, you're a liar."¬ "Oh, you're a liar."¬ "Oh, you're a liar."¬ "Oh, you're a liar."¬ "Oh, you're a liar."¬ "Oh, you're a liar."¬ "Oh, you're a liar."¬ "Oh, you're a liar."¬ "Oh, you're a liar."."¬ ¬ ¬ We will never mature.¬ ¬ Afterlife's...We all die.¬ If you ever have kids, teach them to be prepared for that. Teach them about death and loss. Get them a pet early in their life so they know how to love and nurture something, and when it dies teach them how understand how to deal with it.¬ ¬ Tell them the truth. Don't fill their heads with stupid nonsense like the things on my list. It's not a huge list but they can be devastating.¬ ¬ Teach them about logic. Teach them they're not the only one's that's important. Teach them how to count change and balance a checkbook please for GOD's SAKE.¬ ¬ ¬ This sh*t's hard. Pretending it's going to be Peter Pan and fairy-tales the rest of their lives hurts, doesn't help.

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List of "HOW DARE YOU" LIES I was once made to believe:¬ ¬ the Tooth Fairy¬ the Easter Bunny¬ Santa Claus¬ God¬ The law is fair (this one still makes me laugh-.-)¬ America is the greatest/freest country in the world¬ Circumcision without consent at birth is good(more a theft AND a lie)¬ "You're special"¬ ¬ Ha!¬ ¬ The list could go on...¬ ¬ Imagination is one thing but of all the ways to f*ck up a human being? I can't think of anything more sadistic and pervasive than what one human being can do to another. ¬ ¬ Are humans so screwed up that they really think it's just harmless fun to actually rock another's reality? Make them doubt everything and take away their ability to trust? Are they so screwed up and evil that our own parents are the first to lie to us? And so thoroughly let you believe in stupid nonsense that it becomes your reality?¬ ¬ Or is it really not the fault of humans? That somehow these things happen because humans were indoctrinated to believe these things are okay? ¬ Is it even possible that they themselves do not understand the chaos and damage they wreak to others earliest selves?¬ ¬ ¬ ¬ And to have it persist into adulthood. Only to be handed off to a society which will do the same or worse. Every-single-day.¬ ¬ ¬ ¬ ¬ ¬ ¬ Why do we do this?¬ ¬ ¬ ¬ My whole life has been the same consistent, never-ending thought, over and over and over and over and over again:¬ ¬ "Oh, you're a liar."¬ "Oh, you're a liar."¬ "Oh, you're a liar."¬ "Oh, you're a liar."¬ "Oh, you're a liar."¬ "Oh, you're a liar."¬ "Oh, you're a liar."¬ "Oh, you're a liar."¬ "Oh, you're a liar."¬ "Oh, you're a liar."¬ "Oh, you're a liar."¬ "Oh, you're a liar."¬ ¬ ¬ We will never mature.¬ ¬ AfterlifeAfterlive's... *smh*...We all die.¬ If you ever have kids, teach them to be prepared for that. Teach them about death and loss. Get them a pet early in their life so they know how to love and nurture something, and when it dies teach them how understand how to deal with it.¬ ¬ Tell them the truth. Don't fill their heads with stupid nonsense like the things on my list. It's not a huge list but they can be devastating.¬ ¬ Teach them about logic. Teach them they're not the only one's that's important. Teach them how to count change and balance a checkbook please for GOD's SAKE.¬ ¬ ¬ This sh*t's hard. Pretending it's going to be Peter Pan and fairy-tales the rest of their lives hurts, doesn't help.

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List of "HOW DARE YOU" LIES I was once made to believe:¬ ¬ the Tooth Fairy¬ the Easter Bunny¬ Santa Claus¬ God¬ The law is fair (this one still makes me laugh-.-)¬ America is the greatest/freest country in the world¬ Work hard and be rewarded¬ Circumcision without consent at birth is good(more a theft AND a lie)¬ "You're special"¬ ¬ Ha!¬ ¬ The list could go on...¬ ¬ Imagination is one thing but of all the ways to f*ck up a human being? I can't think of anything more sadistic and pervasive than what one human being can do to another. ¬ ¬ Are humans so screwed up that they really think it's just harmless fun to actually rock another's reality? Make them doubt everything and take away their ability to trust? Are they so screwed up and evil that our own parents are the first to lie to us? And so thoroughly let you believe in stupid nonsense that it becomes your reality?¬ ¬ Or is it really not the fault of humans? That somehow these things happen because humans were indoctrinated to believe these things are okay? ¬ Is it even possible that they themselves do not understand the chaos and damage they wreak to others earliest selves?¬ ¬ ¬ ¬ And to have it persist into adulthood. Only to be handed off to a society which will do the same or worse. Every-single-day.¬ ¬ ¬ ¬ ¬ ¬ ¬ Why do we do this?¬ ¬ ¬ ¬ My whole life has been the same consistent, never-ending thought, over and over and over and over and over again:¬ ¬ "Oh, you're a liar."¬ "Oh, you're a liar."¬ "Oh, you're a liar."¬ "Oh, you're a liar."¬ "Oh, you're a liar."¬ "Oh, you're a liar."¬ "Oh, you're a liar."¬ "Oh, you're a liar."¬ "Oh, you're a liar."¬ "Oh, you're a liar."¬ "Oh, you're a liar."¬ "Oh, you're a liar."¬ ¬ ¬ We will never mature.¬ ¬ Afterlive's *smh*...We all die.¬ If you ever have kids, teach them to be prepared for that. Teach them about death and loss. Get them a pet early in their life so they know how to love and nurture something, and when it dies teach them how understand how to deal with it.¬ ¬ Tell them the truth. Don't fill their heads with stupid nonsense like the things on my list. It's not a huge list but they can be devastating.¬ ¬ Teach them about logic. Teach them they're not the only one's that's important. Teach them how to count change and balance a checkbook please for GOD's SAKE.¬ ¬ ¬ This sh*t's hard. Pretending it's going to be Peter Pan and fairy-tales the rest of their lives hurts, doesn't help.

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List of "HOW DARE YOU" LIES I was once made to believe:¬ ¬ the Tooth Fairy¬ the Easter Bunny¬ Santa Claus¬ God¬ The law is fair (this one still makes me laugh-.-)¬ America is the greatest/freest country in the world¬ Work hard and be rewarded¬ Circumcision without consent at birth is good(more a theft AND a lie)¬ "You're special"¬ ¬ Ha!¬ ¬ The list could go on...¬ ¬ Imagination is one thing but of all the ways to f*ck up a human being? I can't think of anything more sadistic and pervasive than what one human being can do to another. ¬ ¬ Are humans so screwed up that they really think it's just harmless fun to actually rock another's reality? Make them doubt everything and take away their ability to trust? Are they so screwed up and evil that our own parents are the first to lie to us? And so thoroughly let you believe in stupid nonsense that it becomes your reality?¬ ¬ Or is it really not the fault of humans? That somehow these things happen because humans were indoctrinated to believe these things are okay? ¬ Is it even possible that they themselves do not understand the chaos and damage they wreak to others earliest selves?¬ ¬ ¬ ¬ And to have it persist into adulthood. Only to be handed off to a society which will do the same or worse. Every-single-day.¬ ¬ ¬ ¬ ¬ ¬ ¬ Why do we do this?¬ ¬ ¬ ¬ My whole life has been the same consistent, never-ending thought, over and over and over and over and over again:¬ ¬ "Oh, you're a liar."¬ "Oh, you're a liar."¬ "Oh, you're a liar."¬ "Oh, you're a liar."¬ "Oh, you're a liar."¬ "Oh, you're a liar."¬ "Oh, you're a liar."¬ "Oh, you're a liar."¬ "Oh, you're a liar."¬ "Oh, you're a liar."¬ "Oh, you're a liar."¬ "Oh, you're a liar."¬ ¬ ¬ We will never mature.¬ ¬ Afterlive's *smh*...We all die.¬ If you ever have kids, teach them to be prepared for that. Teach them about death and loss. Get them a pet early in their life so they know how to love and nurture something, and when it dies teach them how understand how to deal with it.¬ ¬ Tell them the truth. Don't fill their heads with stupid nonsense like the things on my list. It's not a huge list but they can be devastating.¬ ¬ Teach them about logic. Teach them they're not the only one's that's important. Teach them how to count change and balance a checkbook please for GOD's SAKE.¬ ¬ ¬ This sh*t's hard. Pretending it's going to be Peter Pan and fairy-tales the rest of their lives hurts, doesn't help.¬ ¬ ¬ Somehow compared to genocide and other worldly destruction these moral issues get categorized under "small issues" but I don't think they are.

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List of "HOW DARE YOU" LIES I was once made to believe:¬ ¬ the Tooth Fairy¬ the Easter Bunny¬ Santa Claus¬ God¬ The law is fair (this one still makes me laugh-.-)¬ America is the greatest/freest country in the world¬ Work hard and be rewarded¬ Circumcision without consent at birth is good(more a theft AND a lie)¬ "You're special"¬ ¬ Ha!¬ ¬ The list could go on...¬ ¬ Imagination is one thing but of all the ways to f*ck up a human being? I can't think of anything more sadistic and pervasive than what one human being can do to another. ¬ ¬ Are humans so screwed up that they really think it's just harmless fun to actually rock another's reality? Make them doubt everything and take away their ability to trust? Are they so screwed up and evil that our own parents are the first to lie to us? And so thoroughly let you believe in stupid nonsense that it becomes your reality?¬ ¬ Or is it really not the fault of humans? That somehow these things happen because humans were indoctrinated to believe these things are okay? ¬ Is it even possible that they themselves do not understand the chaos and damage they wreak to others earliest selves?¬ ¬ ¬ ¬ And to have it persist into adulthood. Only to be handed off to a society which will do the same or worse. Every-single-day.¬ ¬ ¬ ¬ ¬ ¬ ¬ Why do we do this?¬ ¬ ¬ ¬ My whole life has been the same consistent, never-ending thought, over and over and over and over and over again:¬ ¬ "Oh, you're a liar."¬ "Oh, you're a liar."¬ "Oh, you're a liar."¬ "Oh, you're a liar."¬ "Oh, you're a liar."¬ "Oh, you're a liar."¬ "Oh, you're a liar."¬ "Oh, you're a liar."¬ "Oh, you're a liar."¬ "Oh, you're a liar."¬ "Oh, you're a liar."¬ "Oh, you're a liar."¬ ¬ ¬ We will never mature.¬ ¬ Afterlive's *smh*...We all die.¬ If you ever have kids, teach them to be prepared for that. Teach them about death and loss. Get them a pet early in their life so they know how to love and nurture something, and when it dies teach them how understand how to deal with it.¬ ¬ Tell them the truth. Don't fill their heads with stupid nonsense like the things on my list. It's not a huge list but they can be devastating.¬ ¬ Teach them about logic. Teach them they're not the only one's that's important. Teach them how to count change and balance a checkbook please for GOD's SAKE.¬ ¬ ¬ This sh*t's hard. Pretending it's going to be Peter Pan and fairy-tales the rest of their lives hurts, doesn't help.¬ ¬ ¬ Somehow compared to genocide and other worldly destruction these moral issues get categorized under "small issues" but I don't think they are. This stuff seems pretty foundational to me.

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I agree that traditional parenting assumes that you have to be dishonest with your kids about certain things. And that for the most part...this is wrong.

The Santa Claus thing seems to me to be the worse offender, it doesn't make any sense and is a dumb myth. Give your kids presents and tell them you love them. You don't need to tell them a bs story about a mythical beast.

Logic and critical thinking skills need to be implemented in public school curriculum at an early age.

People should be taught how to do basic taxes (like if you're single and don't own a home level) and stuff like you mention in school.

If you live in a non-urban area with unreliable public transport, you should be taught how to drive in public school from an early age (unless your parents request an opt out).

Those are some ideas I just thought up about making kids better prepared for life, though I haven't thought them through the driving thing that carefully.

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On the list though:

the Tooth Fairy
the Easter Bunny
Santa Claus

Agreed, no need for these fictions, they don't do anything positive for your kid and can only hurt.

God

In my opinion, the correct position on God is agnosticism, and I tend to give people who feel that have real spiritual experiences with the divine the benefit of the doubt, even if I can doubt whether or not they have really experienced it...let people have god if they want.

law is fair

Clearly it isn't but it's also not supposed to be, from what little I've studied of it. the law is just the law, some laws are fair, others aren't. It depends on the context. And law and ethics are not the same thing either.

America is the greatest/freest country in the world

It is among the freest and greatest, along with countries in the EU and Australia, New Zealand, South Korea and Japan. But that's only virtue of so many other nations being so terrible.

Work hard and be rewarded

Well...again, depends on the context, but yes, lots of people work very hard and do not get a proportionate reward for it.

Circumcision without consent at birth is good(more a theft AND a lie)

Agree with this so hard

"You're special"

You are!

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On the list though:

God

In my opinion, the correct position on God is agnosticism, and I tend to give people who feel that have real spiritual experiences with the divine the benefit of the doubt, even if I can doubt whether or not they have really experienced it...let people have god if they want.

law is fair

Clearly it isn't but it's also not supposed to be, from what little I've studied of it. the law is just the law, some laws are fair, others aren't. It depends on the context. And law and ethics are not the same thing either.

America is the greatest/freest country in the world

It is among the freest and greatest, along with countries in the EU and Australia, New Zealand, South Korea and Japan. But that's only virtue of so many other nations being so terrible.

Work hard and be rewarded

Well...again, depends on the context, but yes, lots of people work very hard and do not get a proportionate reward for it.

Circumcision without consent at birth is good(more a theft AND a lie)

Agree with this so hard

"You're special"

You are!

Respectful disagreements in the same order you went:

God

No. No they should not be allowed to have their god. But if it is insisted, at least let them have a personal journey with god on their own. No organized religion/indoctrination. It's been pushed in the faces of those who can see the similarities between god and santa are just to damn close to be ignored for far too long. And herd mentality really has no place in politics or anywhere else where critical thinking is vital. At this point in my view it would be inviting mental illness to affect some of our most important choices of our lives.

If ANYONE - ANY DAMN ONE - can show me enough evidence that there's reason we should believe in god any more than santa clause I'll totally let you have it though. I promise. But Bible alone is not enough not even close.

good watch(funny): https://youtu.be/RFO6ZhUW38w

Law

Law is supposed to be just. Being just suggests fairness and equality under the law. Actually "just" is defined in the dictionary as: "based on or behaving according to what is morally right and fair." Don't defend such an obvious crock of ****shit dude. Of course it's not fair but how many people know it's supposed to be? I'm a law idiot and I just ran a Google search here's intro to law and ethics 101: "Based on society’s ethics, laws are created and enforced by governments to mediate our relationships with each other, and to protect its citizens. While laws carry with them a punishment for violations, ethics do not. Essentially, laws enforce the behaviors we are expected to follow, while ethics suggest what we ought to follow, and help us explore options to improve our decision-making."

Law and personal ethics do not mix(unless they're shady c**** and do it anyway). There are professional and national ethics that are absolutely in play though when concerning rule of law.
(in which btw decisions aren't made because anyone thinks god wants it that way, we make those decisions based on the supposed just laws that the people we elected made up so that we may be governed. Including god would be a personal ethic not a national one. America is not a Christian nation. Or any other religion.)

https://youtu.be/qQhhAD2B3fA?t=60

Law clearly deals in some kind of ethics though.

Greatest/freest country

We're not even in the top ten dude that SUCKS. Yah we're not Syria thank god....But wtf.....Not even in the TOP TEN.

This is the F*CKING UNITED STATES OF AMERICA we're supposed to be better than 17th!!!!!!!!

16 countries on this benighted little world are more free than the land of the free lmao. That's disgusting. It is not among the greatest freest nations anymore. This is according to most recent data from Human Freedom Index, compiled by the Fraser and Cato Institutes


You're special

MORE LIES!!! lol ;p

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Respectful disagreements in the same order you went:

God

No. No they should not be allowed to have their god. But if it is insisted, at least let them have a personal journey with god on their own. No organized religion/indoctrination. It's been pushed in the faces of those who can see the similarities between god and santa are just to damn close to be ignored for far too long. And herd mentality really has no place in politics or anywhere else where critical thinking is vital. At this point in my view it would be inviting mental illness to affect some of our most important choices of our lives.

If ANYONE - ANY DAMN ONE - can show me enough evidence that there's reason we should believe in god any more than santa clause I'll totally let you have it though. I promise. But Bible alone is not enough not even close.

Well, the conversation is hypothetical, but let's say we could, by banging a gavel, force people to stop practicing religion.

I think that, to say "you're not allowed to teach your children about your fake religion that I know is fake because no one has proven it right yet" is wrong for the same reasons that it is wrong to indoctrinate anyone into anything.

Santa is bad because your parents KNOW that Santa isn't real. If your parents "know" that Odin is real and believe that teaching you about Odin is the best way to put you on the path to the most fulfilling life possible, it's their right to teach you about it and to gather with others and celebrate Odin with each other.

Give children the critical thinking skills. They will leave religion on their own, or if they don't, at least approach it with a more critical eye.

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Law

Law is supposed to be just. Being just suggests fairness and equality under the law. Actually "just" is defined in the dictionary as: "based on or behaving according to what is morally right and fair." Don't defend such an obvious crock of ****shit dude. Of course it's not fair but how many people know it's supposed to be? I'm a law idiot and I just ran a Google search here's intro to law and ethics 101: "Based on society’s ethics, laws are created and enforced by governments to mediate our relationships with each other, and to protect its citizens. While laws carry with them a punishment for violations, ethics do not. Essentially, laws enforce the behaviors we are expected to follow, while ethics suggest what we ought to follow, and help us explore options to improve our decision-making."

Law and personal ethics do not mix(unless they're shady c**** and do it anyway). There are professional and national ethics that are absolutely in play though when concerning rule of law.
(in which btw decisions aren't made because anyone thinks god wants it that way, we make those decisions based on the supposed just laws that the people we elected made up so that we may be governed. Including god would be a personal ethic not a national one. America is not a Christian nation. Or any other religion.)

Law clearly deals in some kind of ethics though.

You're right in the sense that we do have rules and expectations in place to try and insure that, in applying the law, people in the legal profession are as fair as possible.

The law itself though, meaning the actual laws, are not fair, and are in certain contexts very unfair (and where despite their obvious unfairness, you are still expected to pay a penalty for breaking them).

Is it fair that "ignorance of the law is no excuse" so that, if I don't know the speed limit I still have to pay the fine even though I didn't see any posted speed limit signs? No.

Is it unethical to steal bread that I will die without from a wealthy baker? No.

That's what I mean when I say "law is not the same as ethics" which is what I remember my business law teacher said back in junior high. She was cute so I payed attention.

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Lano wrote:

You're right in the sense that we do have rules and expectations in place to try and insure that, in applying the law, people in the legal profession are as fair as possible.

The law itself though, meaning the actual laws, are not fair, and are in certain contexts very unfair (and where despite their obvious unfairness, you are still expected to pay a penalty for breaking them).

Is it fair that "ignorance of the law is no excuse" so that, if I don't know the speed limit I still have to pay the fine even though I didn't see any posted speed limit signs? No.

Is it unethical to steal bread that I will die without from a wealthy baker? No.

That's what I mean when I say "law is not the same as ethics" which is what I remember my business law teacher said back in junior high. She was cute so I payed attention.

The law technically may somehow not be the same as ethics, I mean I guess that makes sense technically. I'm certainly no expert. But you can't really have one without the other right? Law makers could just work around ethics and you'd have some dystopian ****shit going on(i don't doubt it's been tried). They seem pretty hand in hand to me. Equivocally enough when I think of law I simultaneously think of ethics. Maybe most people don't. That'd be sad. Seems like a natural thing to do.

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Kind of off topic but I voted for Santa Claus as a write in candidate for tax assessor last week. Gotta love it... maybe if he wins he'll gift my property taxes next year.

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