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ok can someone seriously bring some light to this design flaw about "deadlines".

i guess the concept is " dee PLAN " but really in my experience is .. by the long shot i can see clearly on the horizon and manage to get by with a sound outlook with self-management accordingly.

Heres the thing - what i dont get is the people at my workplace have this serious procrastination epidemic and cannot bring themselves to do their parts efficiently.

im just dying for a managment model.. i could do it myself but ( i really dont wanna )

it had me thinking about how deadlines are just a business trick.. to keep the functional ansty pantsy worry worts .. achy breaky (ME) about the projects being completed on time. and for some reason i get harrassed about it by managment.. ( and im like.. *******fucking hell you at me for.. get on them fools who plant their faces between their *****asses!)

turns out in the end it always winds up in completion at some point.. and 95 percent of the times .. they're always overdue..

im always reminding myself why should i care.. its kinda like when im driving along the same road towards wherever, and im seeing road construction that's been sitting there for over 3 years and im bursting boil over how hard is it to pave a damn road! .. it doesnt more than a good week if you put ur damn effort into it.. are you just stupid or trying to be real clever!

ur not fooling us by asking for a god damn death wish!

1-800-whowefoolin

god help us all!

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Usually, when planning a road construction, the “critical path” (that is, the activity that takes most time) is carrying materials from the quarry to the site.

It’s not like you can go the Home Depot and find everything in a place: the longer the project, the longer the carrying you have to confront.

Quarries are not abundant and, as times goes by, scarcer. In some places, finding rock is hard.

When building roads the first thought you have is “where can I find a good quarry that is not like 100 miles away from my project?”. At some places that is really HARD.

Thirdly and finally, road materials are built from scratch.

Road builders are like artists that paint. A professional artist, many times, produces his/her own paints because, if you paint professionally, it is expensive to buy paint already made.

Road constructors, like a painter, have to put together raw materials. Few professions work like that.

Asphalt concrete (or “pavement” as you call it) is made of rock primarily, because the amount of asphalt it contains is 5%. Almost 95 percent of the paving surface is entirely made of rock. The base and sub-base are, of course, 100% rock.

Those materials have to be created, duh, from rocks in the quarry. You have to dynamite them (and it takes forever to create the holes for the dynamite to be put into the rock), then crush them, sieve them, put them in place, hydrate them and compact them in carefully established procedures with recipes you have to follow to the detail, with materials that are far from being homogeneous and where acceptance depends on performance of the final product, not on how well you followed the recipe.

It’s like, when building your house, you could not buy the lumber and cement ready-made, but you had to build it from scratch. You would have to build or create the nails, the timber, the bricks, the cement, the kitchen, the fridge, the TV, etcetera. On top of that, the silicon you use for the TV is not produced in a factory that has been producing silicon for ages, but you have the circuits to work even if the silicon is “a tad weird”.

If you considered the time involved in putting together the materials you buy at Home Depot, and added that time to the one you take to actually build a house, you would think that building a house takes forever. That’s what a road engineer does every day without giving a second thought to it: a road is truly made from scratch.

That is why concrete roads are dramatically faster to build: the material (concrete and cement) is already made and delivered by a third party. Pavement or asphalt roads are not like that: you have to make from the raw rock everything, from paving surface to drainages.

Fourthly, I won’t delve into property management (buying the right of way) or environmental studies permits etc, but lemme tell you: they take more time than building the road.

When you build a house in a city, environmental studies take almost no time, because there is not much wild life in the middle of, let’s say, New York and the lot where you build the house is already acquired.

On the other hand (tongue in cheek, puhleeze), when you build a road it seems to me there is always some sanctuary for the Red-Yellow Bill North Aleutian Duck or the Rockie Mountain Half-Breed Spotted Mouse the designer decided to destroy. This comes along with the “Society for the Preservation of the Rockie Mountain Half Breed Spotted Mouse” that is staunchly opposed to anything that you could do to save the critter, because the standards that are enough for human babies to live by are not enough for this kind of mouse. This process is a nightmare.

Not to mention the proprietors of two meter wide property you absolutely need to build the freaking road that refuses to sell unless the lawyers of your company (and there are waaaay more lawyers in a construction company than engineers, believe me) finally, after you have lost all hope of going home to your wife and kids, agree to buy. This is an extortion process that takes time and leaves you exhausted.

That’s one way to understand why it takes time to build a road.

Some times you pass merrily in 20 seconds over a bridge that took someone one year of their life to build. Most people do not even notice the bridge. They have no idea how hard is to dam the freaking river or rivulet, the surges of water in spring, the working under rain and sun, the people hurt or even killed in the process, the many times they wandered around thinking “how in heaven am I going to do this alone with a crew of six people in time and in budget”?

Believe me, road engineers, notice it: only the road crews can understand the difficulties and the piece of your heart you put in things most people don't even see.

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wasnt the culprit of my actual problems bout tho .. i will praise ur excellent
reasons on paving delays.

1-800-whowefoolin

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NaCtHoMaN wrote:
wasnt the culprit of my actual problems bout tho .. i will praise ur excellent
reasons on paving delays.

1-800-whowefoolin

its all good, i work in construction and am always in the middle of the road working, what really pisses me off is when people blow their horn at me, its like, im working idiot, cant you see all the signs. (plus im not wearing all these bright colors for fashion sense) yesterday some old lady blew her horn at me and i screamed at her, have some patience you old *****bitch...

ps, we have deadlines on everything, in the long game we just ignore them and make up great excuses. one of them is just, couldnt finish because of extraordinary circumstances. extraordinary circumstances being any number of things including, blizzards, hurricanes tornadoes hail sleet, someone ****shit in my knickers etc...

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