I think people think I'm trans.
But how could they think I'm trans if I'm not even sure I'm trans? it just doesn't make sense. I think I noticed early on people were thinking this about me. And I'm not even sure if that made me consider it or if I considered it on my own.
I wish people would mind their own f*****g business.
Truth: No matter how hard you try you cannot control how others think. No drug or elixir will ever change that.
So stop worrying about what others think. Just be you. Full stop. You are the only person on the entire planet that can be you. So screw what anybody else thinks. Hold your head high. Maybe stick out your chest a little. Look them square in the eye. And smile as you say to yourself, "you mean s*รท% to me!"
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soco wrote:
Truth: No matter how hard you try you cannot control how others think. No drug or elixir will ever change that.So stop worrying about what others think. Just be you. Full stop. You are the only person on the entire planet that can be you. So screw what anybody else thinks. Hold your head high. Maybe stick out your chest a little. Look them square in the eye. And smile as you say to yourself, "you mean s*รท% to me!"
bullshit. there's nothing that says you can't be fired for being gay much less a trans person. your job alone is evidence that this is impossible. how's that for being you and not letting anyone change it based on their opinions?
be you on the ******fuckin street i guess....
There's nothing wrong with saying 'be you'
Maybe you personally should add 'regardless of consequences'
Because people who choose to be themselves while not considering others opinions, are only willing to accept those consequences.
What if nobody likes you? Being you could mean being a social outcast.
Are you married ptp?
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soco wrote:
Are you married ptp?
i dont know what ptp means lol. but i'm not married.
long ago someone once told me " if you care about what other people think, ur ******fucked "
teenagers grow into this .. awareness phase.. being self-conscious all the time and then the anxiety creeps in and the hive mind develops.. where you're either with the majority or cast aside.
aeolians.revenge wrote:
No onw wants an argument from you.
who is arguing? o.O I personally feel I've been adding to the substance of the conversation.
aeolians.revenge wrote:
Own it.
But I'm not the one who acts upon this belief. This is in their thoughts more than mine. I'm just wondering why they are more concerned about it than I am. Did I misunderstand what you meant by this?
aeolians.revenge wrote:
Amen.
What? o.O
aeolians.revenge wrote:
I may be wrong but I suspect you are trying to look trans and want valadation.
You are honestly wrong. Why would I try to look trans and then wonder why people might think I were trans? If I'm not trying to look trans though, and if I've never told anyone I am or not, then what is it though?
Is some guy at your job trying to come on to you? Is that what this is about?
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Anon Poster wrote:
I think people think I'm trans.But how could they think I'm trans if I'm not even sure I'm trans? It just doesn't make sense.
I think I noticed early on people were thinking this about me, and I'm not sure if that has made me consider it, or if I considered it on my own.
Do you think it's possible that you may be exhibiting signs that you are not aware of?
There seems to be a lot of uncertainty going on. For example, given the thought of being trans is something you are unsure of. In and of itself there's nothing wrong with that. But, another example can also go to this effect;
I THINK I noticed early on people were THINKING this about me.
First, a group of people might actually share the experience of your characteristics with a clarity that you may not fully see.
Secondly, there seems to be a lot of thinking going on without really knowing. Have you asked any of those folks what they thought?
Thirdly, what you think other people are thinking is much different than what they're actually thinking. Paranoia serves up two versions of the same person, one fake, the other one real.
Slash wrote:
Anon Poster wrote:
I think people think I'm trans.But how could they think I'm trans if I'm not even sure I'm trans? It just doesn't make sense.
I think I noticed early on people were thinking this about me, and I'm not sure if that has made me consider it, or if I considered it on my own.
Do you think it's possible that you may be exhibiting signs that you are not aware of?
There seems to be a lot of uncertainty going on. For example, given the thought of being trans is something you are unsure of. In and of itself there's nothing wrong with that. But, another example can also go to this effect;I THINK I noticed early on people were THINKING this about me.
First, a group of people might actually share the experience of your characteristics with a clarity that you may not fully see.
Secondly, there seems to be a lot of thinking going on without really knowing. Have you asked any of those folks what they thought?
Thirdly, what you think other people are thinking is much different than what they're actually thinking. Paranoia serves up two versions of the same person, one fake, the other one real.
yah you're probably right. it'd be nice if i'm just noticing that community is just getting more support these days. is better to mistakenly try to support someone who isn't in need of it, than to forget or not notice someone who is.
and yah you're right to get me to think more about the questions i've been asked. they could be from different places. i have been asked questions for sure that could make anyone think they're wondering. but most of them wouldn't have to always lead to that conclusion.
and as far as me wondering, i've known drag queens that can obviously get way more feminine than i ever get. and they're not all trans people. so feminine qualities on a gay man does not equate a trans person.
even if i were to consider that big of a change to my life though, i wouldn't feel compelled to do it in this environment, in this day and age. it's one of my reasons i'll always support that community if i can. they're a lot braver than i.
being just gay has been hard enough :\
I the thing is you are right, people should mind their own business, but the fact you posted you are about being concerned you are a trans or other people think you are says you either are trolling, or really think you might be different and need help, but in the end who really gives a fork what people think fork them right?
danihatesyou wrote:
I the thing is you are right, people should mind their own business, but the fact you posted you are about being concerned you are a trans or other people think you are says you either are trolling, or really think you might be different and need help, but in the end who really gives a fork what people think fork them right?
trolling is stupid. the grass can always seem greener on the other side. but in my particular case, i've said before i've met some really cool trans people, but i'm not the expert on them. where else to go to learn more? i've tried asking a trans person but they got defensive and didn't want to talk about it.
do i think i'll ever dress and go out and public and live my life as a woman? probably not. but i don't know that that's the sole definition of being a trans woman. maybe it is but that's why i'm trying to learn more. just because i don't know and i'd like to.
and maybe i can figure out what people are seeing or hearing that make them want to be obvious they're cool with trans people around me too lol
Stop wearing eye liner, mascara, lipstick, and/or fingernail polish. The questions of what you are will stop, I promise.
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soco wrote:
Stop wearing eye liner, mascara, lipstick, and/or fingernail polish. The questions of what you are will stop, I promise.
lol i don't wear eye liner, mascara, lipstick and/or fingernail polish.
i think people still think i look like a girl. maybe i just look like a girl lol or more probably they can't tell the difference i think which is really on them lol. o.O
Do you have a high pitched voice? Some guys do; nothing against it.
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soco wrote:
Do you have a high pitched voice? Some guys do; nothing against it.
naw but i never thought anyone thought i sounded trans lol
it's probly the least trans thing anyone could mistake for trans that i have if anything is actually mistakable for trans at all lol
i've grown the occasional mountain man beard and that seems to help make it more clear. but, ok so i really think people are just not able to tell the difference between male and female as much lol i'm really leaning to thinking that.
it's happened to me before. a dude that worked for a lawn care company at my job asked if there was any water to drink one day and i said i've got a bottled water i can get you sir one sec. but i didn't realize till after i handed him the water it wasn't a him at all. it was a chic. so maybe something like that's going on. just can't tell. blind af lol
(at least in my case there was lots of dirt and grease from the lawn mowers and stuff. i dress in my work uniform and i think they're having a harder time than me lol)
Ok. You just cited one example where you yourself could not tell the difference on one occasion. Yet you want to go all ballistic on others when they make the same error to you. You can't have it both ways!
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soco wrote:
Ok. You just cited one example where you yourself could not tell the difference on one occasion. Yet you want to go all ballistic on others when they make the same error to you. You can't have it both ways!
LOL no! I never wanted to go ballistic I'm just wondering why it happens. And I did it once as far as I know it's happened to me lots more than once. So just wondering. Relax. I'm not making any judgement or saying anything is wrong or right. I'm just trying to understand what could be going on better.
But it bothers you. If it didn't you would not have posted about it. Agree?
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soco wrote:
But it bothers you. If it didn't you would not have posted about it. Agree?
less that it bothers me, more that it just makes me wonder. if i saw a human petting a dog and saying good cat i would wonder what's going on there, wouldn't you?
Either the cat looks like a dog, or the human is nuts. lol or maybe something else. but it would make me curious for sure at least.
i'll be honest, the time i told you about the lawn worker, it made me wonder to.
i got into all kinds of arguments about the kind of idea i thought i had about stereotypes. i had to recheck myself really hard after that.
No. Some people are blind or have very low vision. Or perhaps it's a canine named Kat. So no I wouldn't think much about it to be honest.
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soco wrote:
No. Some people are blind or have very low vision. Or perhaps it's a canine named Kat. So no I wouldn't think much about it to be honest.
okay you got my point and went this direction that's cool. it's funny. hehe. see i giggled :)
i like how the possibilities are endless with you though. skies the limit yah? bravo! you're like a regular sherlock holmes thinkin outside the box there haha
i would have never considered the dogs name could be cat for example.
You want to mess with a friends head? Get a pet feline and name him Dogg!
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soco wrote:
You want to mess with a friends head? Get a pet feline and name him Dogg!
name him doggy lol ....c'mere doggy haha
meow lolol
Our memory relies on mostly what we see. Not so much with hearing.
With that said, "tone" is locked into anything that makes sound.
Pay attention.
The key furthist on the left of the piano will have the deepest sound.
Think strong male.
As you ascend to the right, key by key, the pitch climbs higher and higher.
At this point you may be thinking you are heading into (more or less) female territory, yes but consider the following; nature has produced male's with a range of characteristics from strong to weak.
So, as you go higher to the right of the piano keys, the "weaker" the male characteristics.
But, if you started totally on the right side of the piano, you begin with (and no insult intended), the tone of a common female.
Referring back to what nature produces, there have been plenty of "strong women" with voices you could not tell apart from that of a man. This becomes more obvious as you move back to the left on the the keys.
The sound that something makes is as only good as it is heard. The most important part when it comes to the components of hearing is an organ called the cochli. Or "the snail." It's arranged a lot like the strings of a piano - from very short strings to very long strings.
A very gentle sound will not affect the long string but may not the shortest ones either. There is a middle ground to which these strings become sensitive to incoming sound and there are tens of thousands of them. Without so many, we would not experience the quality of sound the way we do.
Every one of those strings in this case has a nerve attached to it and the gathering of the nerves is called, the "auditory nerve."
This concludes the science lesson for the day. I had to come up with some sort of understanding why I thought the morning television reporter was a female until I actually looked at the T.V. and saw it was a dude the entire time.
I am a soprano in singing.
That is a higher range than most women.
It wasnt natural and took years to achieve.
However without the lower notes its impact is less important.
In fact quite annoying.
My point is maybe you are subconsciously tryinig to achieve a ***sex that you are attracted to being the lower notes and know all too well the impact it has being female.
I think if you came to terms with this truth you will know its you who wants valadation not just as a female but as a human.
When you realise that the lower notes are just as important as the higher notes.
Todays culture stopped giving anything low or male the credit it rightfully deserves.
aeolians.revenge wrote:
I am a soprano in singing.
That is a higher range than most women.
It wasnt natural and took years to achieve.
However without the lower notes its impact is less important.
In fact quite annoying.
My point is maybe you are subconsciously tryinig to achieve a ***sex that you are attracted to being the lower notes and know all too well the impact it has being female.
I think if you came to terms with this truth you will know its you who wants valadation not just as a female but as a human.
When you realise that the lower notes are just as important as the higher notes.
Todays culture stopped giving anything low or male the credit it rightfully deserves.
I took piano lessons when i was a kid and have been tinkering with it all my life. I feel I have a basic understanding of the piano. I do not feel I have a basic understanding of Slashes piano analogy however. The whole music comparison has really lost me and so I've been lost ever since. LOL
I just don't get the music analogies and so I don't understand anything you just said either haha!
I'm not sure why we're even talking about anything auditory.
I think you did that on purpose ;p
Let people think what they want. They will do anyway. What you think about you is all that matters. U cant control what others think. U can only control urself
Jetmoo wrote:
Let people think what they want. They will do anyway. What you think about you is all that matters. U cant control what others think. U can only control urself
Exactly what I said in the beginning.
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@soco what i did back at school for a time was just agree with each insult. If someone said youre a freak I'd smile and say i know i am. It tends to confuse people lol
Just a question. How do those people views trans people?
I took piano lessons when i was a kid and have been tinkering with it all my life. I feel I have a basic understanding of the piano.
I do not feel I have a basic understanding of Slashes piano analogy however.The whole music comparison has really lost me -
I just don't get the music analogies and so I don't understand anything you just said -
I'm not sure why we're even talking about anything auditory.
You didn't pay attention.
And I don't think I made it too complicated.
I'll try to make this easier.
Everyone of us has heard that one voice on the radio or phone that we mistakenly thought was either a guy or a gal - but it turned out to be the other.
Unlike the distant past, we live in an age where we are more likely to assume that someone is trans based on the way they sound.
Listen to this dude sing -
Sorry Slash... Mariska Veres was born a female and died a female.
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soco wrote:
Sorry Slash... Mariska Veres was born a female and died a female.
That's my point. I've listened to this song for decades, over the radio. I always thought it was a guy who sang that song because she really does command a guy's voice.
Let's move closer to what I was originally taking about. Tell me, after listening to Kim Carnes "Bette Davis Eyes" are you really going to think that Nick Gilder has a dude's voice?
And by the way, a "nick" is a type of cut and gildings are horses that have been castrated. Look carefully at what this person's wearing. Is that a blouse?!
Let's talk trans.....
Vocals in the transgender area is a technique. Its not any gender vouce because once you reach soprano and head voice its pretty hard to hear male or female.
Once you are in falsetto its anybodys guess.
On top of that singers refine their voices to sound smooth at that range. Its almost impossible to have vocal fry at notes in the soprano range or risk losing your voice permenently.
So there was a fad in the 60s 70s 80s for males to hit very high notes.
Steve perry was the master of high notes however he did something unique.
He was able to mix the bass in his voice to balance out the high notes so it didnt sound micky mousey.
I guess thats why I originally wrote about singers. Scroll up.
Without the full balance your just toying with genderism and I suspect most trans gender people play up the opposite of what they were born to sound like.
Its fake
Okay. Any females out there that sound like James Earl Jones? Aka Musafa?
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I think you can always tell when someone singing on the radio is black. They got better singing voices. N can always tell when they're white.
Jetmoo wrote:
I think you can always tell when someone singing on the radio is black. They got better singing voices. N can always tell when they're white.
I think the radio is one of the first places that we get tricked into believing an artist is black (or not).
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