The first two minutes basically covers it for me.

https://youtu.be/gkONHNXGfaM

Feel free to open a website that specializes in that.

Everyone here from ALL walks is welcome on an EQUAL basis.

God put something down 'there' for everyone to admire. Only the Mattel toy company made Barbie and Ken without any gear (even then you still get the impression of the male/female dualism).

I won't. It's mislabeling and it's disrespectful to the genuine article. Social Justice is a cult with a mentality stuck in junior high.

This gender neutral thing is concerning to me.
People start raising their kids to not think of themselves as a boy or girl can only add confusion to the child.

I think it's wrong to claim transgender people are wrong to believe they're in the wrong body.
Hasn't that been proven now?

I'm confused. How does the nature of your question flow from the contrary nature of your statement?

I'm willing to go to the point of calling a transgender male to "female" her and she (and vise versa). But that is where I draw the line. I refuse to use or accept the whole million different genders and pronouns movement.

If someone feels offended and attacked by me referring to them as he or she then those people are at least in the social and logical sense so far below what I care about that I'm not even going to bother discussing the matter. Those people can just get/stay out of my life.

And I have lost people over this. Social justice is a sect.

-Legion.

First off- disclaimer: I have no problem with anybody in the the LGBT or transgender community. I’ve got many friends in that area.

Onto the main point: Gender is a scientific fact. Just like we’re born human. It’s not an opinion. Sorry- I don’t care how much you tell me otherwise, I will not accept the fact that because you “identify” as a toaster, I have to refer to you as one. If you’re not happy about that, then I’ll do my best to avoid “referring” to you in a similar manner, but I will not call you a toaster. (Unless it’s some sort of weird name-calling thing. In that case, it’s open range.)

Some people are born with “multiple personalities” in their head- they are still a single human being.

Gender is defined by your role in the reproduction dance. You are what your genitals say you are. If you get “the surgery” to switch, that’s fine. I’ll refer to you as such afterward.

Nothing wrong with dressing and acting how you want at all. Do that as much as you wish, but it does NOT change your gender. Gender is an attribute assigned at birth.

That said, I’m not opposed to the “gender-neutral” fashions of raising a kid. You should definitely still refer to them as he/she, based on their true birth gender. But let boys wear pink and play with Barbie and let girls play in the mud and play football.

People should be allowed to DO as they please, that’s fine. But nothing you say will change facts like your gender or your race.

I agree with legion, I have no problem identifying someone as he, she or them if that who they want to be referred to. My problem is also with the million different sexual orientations.

I think the important thing would be to instill in our children that they can do any job they want to. As a girl, i liked to play with toy cars, they were fun, i had loads of them, didnt mean i wanted to be a boy.

We need to get away from the whole boys can wear make up and girls cant be astronauts and put more emphasis on intelligence and enjoying oneself.

Given that response, would you care to explain hermafradites ?

Haha. That’s fair. In those (very rare) cases, I think whichever organs are functional should determine the “official” gender.
It’s up to them though. Like I said, people can do what they want. If you want to dress like boy and have people mistake you a boy, that’s fine. But if you’re not a boy, don’t go around trying to tell people you are, and don’t get mad when they don’t. (Goes for the opposite as well, obviously.)

But yes, in the rare case of a *************hermaphrodite, to avoid confusion, they should be welcome to “choose”.

So the person born with both organs gets to choose (or most likely their parents do when they're a baby) and there's no telling that the selected ***sex would be the one the person identifies with, and if thats the case youve now got someone living in the wrong body.

So do they need to suffer or can they swap over?

Or if people have to stick with what they're born with should the hermafradite need to be male AND female forever, never feeling normal.

Since people are supposed to be either male OR female, and what you're born with is what you are, then hermafradites couldn't exist.

If we accept that they do indeed exist, and it was some sort of genetic mutation of the foetus that caused a person to have both organs, don't we then have no choice to accept that some sort of genetic issue (or any other issue in conception or gestation could not only cause a person to be born with BOTH, but be born with the WRONG ones?

The choice in this matter is because they ARE both. To avoid confusion/embarrassment. They are what they are, there is no denying that.
It IS a genetic mutation. Again, unalterable fact.

The term "wrong ones" used in this reference is used incorrectly, because it's used to cover an opinion. Gender is not opinion. It's a state. You can't change the color of your eyes or the color of your hair. You can dye your hair and put in different colored contacts, but that simply hides what they really are. Just like you can dress as the opposite gender. It doesn't actually change anything, it just hides the truth. I could say my eyes are the "wrong color". I can claim my eyes are golden or red all I want. I can get contacts that make them LOOK that color. But my eyes are, and forever will be, blue. Does that mean my eyes are the wrong color? No. It's not the color I want, sure. But they aren't "wrong". It's a state of reality, not a question of opinion.

(I love my eyes- just using eye color as example.)

Yes they ARE both, but they're going to have surgery to BECOME just one.
So now they are let's say male, would you be reluctant to call them he / him?
That's not what they were born as after all.
Wouldn't it be CORRECT to always see that person as a heshe / sheman?
Would it be fair to refer to them as such since that's what they were born as, and gender is a state after all, so they can never be male OR female.

I wouldn't class a man dressed as a woman as a woman, but once they've lived that way a few years and undergone all the psychiatric evaluations needed before treatment and surgery, and once they have undergone full reasignment surgery, LEGALLY changed their gender, ill happily see them as, and call them a woman.

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As I stated in my first response, once they’ve undergone the surgery to change it, then they’re officially the other gender.
The problem is all of the people that just “say” they are the other gender. Or genderless. Or whatever crazy prefix they’re using. They dress up, either grow their hair out or cut it short, and start acting like the other. That counts about as much as standing in a garage and calling yourself a car.

If I altered the pigments in my eyes to be a different color, then my eyes are that color. If I put colored contacts in, my eyes are still blue.

As far as being reluctant to call somebody he/her- if I don’t know, I avoid it. I had a friend back in the school days who had a gender neutral name and honestly to this day I don’t know their true gender (moved around a lot as a kid so didn’t keep in touch with many people). Didn’t bother me. Just avoided gender specific terms. And this was way back before everybody decided to start claiming their genders. I have no problem with how people want to act or dress. But “gender” is a physical trait, not an aspect of your personality or opinion. You want to change it, feel free. But dont lie and say you’re something else just because you’re wearing a dress.

Genuine hermafradites are very rare. Nonetheless, they recognize that God, nature, biology - or what have you - generally provides a uniformed standard when it comes to gender.
They clearly understand that they are (somewhat) out of the loop regarding physical laws but they aren't the ones facilitating the mentality that the universal laws of society should be entirely rewritten to orbit their little meteor. No.
Further, a hermafradite is more consistent with who they are on a daily basis than the people who are involved with the transgender movement. They're not asking themselves, "Well, do I feel like a boy or girl today or something in between -" no, they're not waking up like that.
They're not "crying out" for the world to understand their incomprehensible emotions (of which only they, apparently, have the exclusive patented rights to)...
Much (if not all) of the T.G. movement comes from anatomically correct bodies of people with corrupted software of their operating systems.
Transgender neutral persons also operate under the same subjective terms.
Christ was born from a person of gender, having gender Himself.
No person - NO PERSON - has ever been born like a Barbie or Ken doll.

i identify as an alien from another dimension

It is my personal opinion that biology, not one's mental state, determines one's gender. For most that is male or female, and then there are true hermaphrodites.

You can take a man, perform ***sex reassignment surgery on him, feed him estrogen, and counsel him until the polar caps melt, but his DNA will still say that he is a male. And vice versa with a woman.

I think the only real transgenders are the people born as hermaphrodites. Just because a woman thinks life would be better as a man, or just because a man believes life would be better as a woman, does not make them into something they aren't.

I also think it's quite foolish to not assign a gender to a newborn, and then letting him or her "choose" what they want to be. Sorry folks, but Nature has already chosen for them!

There are many people out there who are just unhappy with the biologic cards that Nature has dealt them. However, wishing and even employing surgical techniques is not going to truly change someone's ***sex.

I could wake up tomorrow morning and self-identify as a multi-billionaire--but that would not put any more money into my bank account.

I think most of the people claiming transgender status have psychological--rather than true biological--issues.

With the above said, I don't think we should get hung up on "roles", i.e., saying that a man should not be a nurse, or that a woman should not be a police officer. I think it's perfectly OK for a boy to not like sports, or for a girl to like to play baseball and climb trees.

It's also OK for a woman to not want children, or for a man to not be attracted to women.

And if a man wanted to be considered as a woman, and if a woman wanted to be considered as a man, I would not want to see either of them persecuted. I just do not want to be forced to refer to a woman as a man, or to a man as a woman--and in some places, laws are being proposed that would make it illegal to not accommodate the pronoun choices of a supposed "transgender" person.

Can you imagine being charged with a crime if you didn't go along with someone's gender fantasy?

We can indulge people in all kinds of fantasies--but we should never be legally compelled to indulge them.

I wonder where the OP went?

Just because a woman thinks life would be better as a man, or just because a man believes life would be better as a woman, does not make them into something they aren't.

It is clearly not as straight forward as thinking the other ***sex has it better and things would be easier to swap.

I also think it's quite foolish to not assign a gender to a newborn, and then letting him or her "choose" what they want to be. Sorry folks, but Nature has already done that..[/quote]

^^^ fully agree there, that's just going to confuse a child.

Actually....none of the responses for the post topic are addressing the specific...
Gender NEUTRAL = NO gender.
Neutral. Not male. Not female. No gender.
All the inbetweens were well covered.
Androginy. Not even necessarily "interchangible" due to the uniformity of the subject.

I don't think people are having surgery and psychiatric evaluations to become that are they?

No. It's a form of lifestyle though.

https://youtu.be/lKXbqsPhWJQ

https://youtu.be/UW1eKkjoY1U

https://youtu.be/QULgUpZVEyM

Al is right, and I must concede that the "gender neutralists" have a point. For decades--maybe even centuries--we have used the pronoun "he" to mean either "he" or "she." We have used such terms as policeMEN, fireMEN, and fisherMEN to include members of both sexes. I have no problem with using terms such as police officers, fire responders and fishermen and fisherwomen, or just plain "fishers." And when Jesus said to some of his hopeful disciples, "Come and I will make you fishers of men," the more literal translation is, "Come and I will make you fish for people."

I must also confess to being too much of a Malthusian when it comes to women in front-line combat positions. You can lose a LOT of men, and still keep your society intact. But if you lose a LOT of women, then your society has pretty much run its course.

It's also very Malthusian to note that a society that holds its women back will not progress very far. The Middle East holds perfect examples of this Malthusian law.

I remember way back when the Chinese passed regulitory laws regarding the numbers of females born into their society. Given the population of their country, I suppose they didn't expect to experience such adverse effects upon their men. As I understand the male\female ratio is 10 to 1.
Funny....because that has been the same ratio here in Alaska for over 30 years. Only now have things started to rebalance. Like I really care now that I'm old.

In Canada, the feminists cheered the easy access to abortion.

But then something happened.

Many Asian immigrants were visiting the abortion clinics to abort female babies. Boy babies were allowed to come to full term. But these families wanted sons, because that was their "social security." When the son marries, he takes his new wife into his parents home, and the mother-in-law bosses the daughters-in-law. To be a mother-in-law is to be a supervisor, and freed from the drudgery of housework. To be a daughter-in-law is to be an indentured servant for a lot longer than seven years. Daughters do not provide social security, as they go to their husbands' home and take care of the husband's parents, instead of her own.

The feminists began to weakly protest--but they knew they had little they could say because of their "pro-choice" stance. They just never figured that people would go nuts aborting girl babies. This is a perfect example of "the law of unintended consequences."

In one particular Chinese province, families were aborting girl babies to such an extent that the men in that province have to leave it in order to find a wife. Another perfect example of the law of unintended consequences!

Yes, the one child policy in China certainly has had interesting effects.

There should be more gender neutral terms, and clothing. Im not talking about boys wearing skirts and dresses ect (they can if they want). I just mean encouraging girls to grow up to be more than a beautician hairdresser.

So...I'm at a dead halt on the highway because the road crew are repaving the road. I'm stopped because the super fine babe in front of me is holding the STOP sign. Now, she certainly isn't wearing a dress but it's not hard to figure out what SHE is.
She wears the same crew outfits as the team. Regardless, the sign next to her says "Men At Work." She's not in a ruffle about what the sign says - obviously, she's working too as well as the female operating the compactor.
None of the working women are complaining about the "patriarchal" language of the signs. I suspect, when they read those signs -Men At Work- those same women are thinking, "Yes....yes they are...." Knowing full well the power of their own positions.

Funnily enough, it doesnt bother me personally. I wouldnt mind being called a policeman and never minded been referred to as a group of guys. I just want girls to be more than models or other air head professions.

BTW I hope they are fixing the hole that you can never avoid.

I'd like to think we have accomplished that for the most part - not that it's perfect all the time, but if you're qualified AND the position is available.

(Sadly not the road to which I spoke of.)
And THAT problem is STILL on-going. I hit it again tonight because I had to stay in my lane for another oncoming car - this is a REAL problem, and it bothers me. It's at supernatural levels now.
Thanks for remembering.

WTF keeps happening on this post????

Spam bots. 😞

So why just on this post?
This must be pretty low down since it's old.

It seems that this post, as well as 1 or 2 others, somehow got added to some bot network. The replies are all pretty identical, so I'm assuming the bots aren't crawling the site- they just found a single url at one point and save that then keep coming back. 😛

Im going to be updating it so that if a reply is immediately marked as spam, it doesn't notify everybody on the post. 😓

Nice.
That sounds like a good function to have.

Good plan.