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very enlightened

https://twitter.com/RealCandaceO/status/9860664...

I mean, you see this and I think you should ask yourself if you should really take her seriously.

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Jebus-Zeus wrote:
She's an Uncle tom

I wish I could be so succinct.

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very enlightened

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Candace_Owens

I thought this was just some random girl saying her opinion, she's a pro Trump activist lol.

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very enlightened

The protesters aren't asking for Floyd to be canonized.

Protesters want better training for police officers. They want excessive force tactics like chokeholds to be banned. They want police to be held accountable for when they make fatal mistakes. That's not a black vs white thing. Innocent white men get killed by police too. It shouldn't be a Republican vs Democrat thing either.

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Something just struck me and I find it amusing because it seems true to me. The people who are against the protesters will say "Everybody agrees that what happened is bad!" Well, we have a video. Of course you agree that murder caught on video is bad.

If there was no video, I am sure they would not be saying that. They'd say the police did their job and should go free.

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I hope you like my book of a comment. I can sign it if you like.

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I almost didn't finish watching the video after five minutes because I disagree with the premise and I also think a lot of what she was saying is in bad taste. But against my better judgement, because you asked for takes, I soldiered on.

Also I admit that much of what I have to say is anecdotal...but so is most of what she's saying, so I think it's fair.

I am dividing my take into three parts to hopefully make it easier to read. First part is about the premise, second part is about the statistics she uses, and the third part is just some other thoughts I had about things she said.


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Two problems with the premise:

1. I have not done a survey of how George Floyd has been portrayed in the media, but in the media I consume, there has been pretty consistent acknowledgment that George Floyd has a criminal past...I've never heard the term hero or martyr used in regard to him in the media that I consume. Not to say that I don't believe that some people are saying that kind of thing...I'm sure they are...but the point is "media" is a general term, and blah blah blah you get what I'm saying here. It seems like an absurd generalization to me because I'm just not seeing what she's seeing.

2. Who cares whether or not he is a martyr or a hero or whatever? As far as I know, the protests aren't about George Floyd as a person, and to make them about him misses the point. They are about police violence against black people. So basically a strawman argument.

The second part of the video is about how racially motivated police brutality against blacks is a myth..ok, fine if that is the actual point you want to make...but if it is, why talk about George Floyd's history at all? The stuff about his wrap sheet isn't logically related to the point about the video that actually matters, which is whether or not racially motivated police brutality exists.

It's almost like she kind of wants to imply Floyd got what's coming to him, but doesn't quite have the cahonies to actually cross that line and make that point.


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You have to be careful with statistics. Even if they are true, you have to ask what they really say.

"You are more likely to die from police as a violent white criminal than you are as a violent black criminal."

First question you should ask is, suppose that's true...does that really prove the racially motivated police brutality doesn't exist? I'd say no, not really. Think about it: Suppose it's true....does that mean police brutality is actually motivated against whites? I suppose you could argue that. But it's not really an automatic conclusion you'd draw, and neither should you automatically draw a conclusion the other way.

But let's get into the nitty gritty a bit. "You are more likely to die from police as a violent white criminal than you are as a violent black criminal."

Can taking stats from a single year really show that? And when selecting a population size, is using the number of murders committed relevant? It might be, but we would need more information about those numbers. If there are 500 murders in a year, and 1 black man did 300 of them, then clearly not. That's an extreme hypothetical, but you see my point. Black men could be a smaller percentage of the violent criminals if they are more prolific violent criminals than the average white violent criminal. That's just one variable that is missed in what she's saying, there's also the question of what percentage of those violent criminals actually have police encounters, and probably other variables I can't think of right now.

Also, the number of deaths statistic is from a different year than the percentage of murders by black men statistic (2018 vs 2019)...which is just bad statisticing...you're taking one statistical fact and basically applying it to the wrong population.

To put the point in it's full absurdity it's like saying you're more likely to get a cavity as a white dentist patient because in 2018, 19 white people had cavities and 8 black people got cavities and in 2019 40 percent of dentist patients were black.
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She can only speak from her experience, and I get that it's anecdotal...but non-criminal black people also seem to have experiences with police that suggest to them that discrimination is a thing. And not just a small minority of non-criminal blacks....like pretty much every single one that I've heard speak on the subject. I'm not going to stop believing them on account of one young woman who seems to think it's a media hoax and uses cherry picked statistics to back it up.

I think the narrative she spins about blacks just wanting to blame white people for their problems is completely inconsistent with things I've heard from leaders in the black community, and regular black people. Black people know they have problems coming from their own community. For a young black woman like herself to pretend that they don't strikes me as really bizarre.

"How hard is it not to spend multiple times in prison." This statement seems packed with naivety to me and makes me think that she is really out of touch with the black community as a whole.

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"Strangeness" doesn't even begin to describe whatever this was!

jjlove01 wrote:

I'm agnostic myself, but I respect everyone's right to believe what they choose. Some of the nicest, most honest, people I know are atheists. Trump is completely disingenuous, and it doesn't seem he believes in anything but himself. The dude, and his supporters, are seriously damaged!

Also agnostic here, at least intellectually. I have this thing where I still identify with Christianity a lot, on an emotional level and sometimes I'll even pray, especially now where I do pray every so often as hard as I can that Trump will lose.

It can't hurt, right?

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"Strangeness" doesn't even begin to describe whatever this was!

NacthoMan wrote:
arent all politicains just phony cronies?

Strictly speaking, yes. But it matters how phony they are and what they are phony about.

Handshaking and kissing baby foreheads? Very phony but harmless.

To a religious person who thinks voting against a democrat is somehow stemming the tide of atheism in the country, being phony about your spirituality is less than harmless.

To me, i couldn't care less since a politicians religiosity doesn't matter to me. But it does matter to me in the sense that i'll have to live with trump for another four years if religious types take the gesture seriously.

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BOY im MAD

I randomly came across this song after forgetting about it for a while and it made me think of this post, purely in terms of a list of pet peeves most of which I agree with, even the bit about not liking it when people throw stuff out of their car lol.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrgpZ0fUixs

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