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The mixed race child.

We have friends who attend a local Baptist church. Some five years ago, their daughter had a child out of wedlock. The daughter is white; the father of the child is black. Our friends end up babysitting their grandson to facilitate the mother's going to work.

A few days ago, the church threw a Christmas party for the children in the church. But news of this party was withheld from my friends. They have both been faithful workers in the church, the wife serving in the nursery, and the husband serving as a deacon.

There are not that many children in the church--maybe 14 total.

One child is cut out of the party. And that one child just happens to be of mixed race.

I don't think it was just an oversight.

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The mixed race child.¬ ¬ We have friends who attend a local Baptist church. Some five years ago, their daughter had a child out of wedlock. The daughter is white; the father of the child is black. Our friends end up babysitting their grandson to facilitate the mother's going to work.¬ ¬ A few days ago, the church threw a Christmas party for the children in the church. But news of this party was withheld from my friends. They have both been faithful workers in the church, the wife serving in the nursery, adand the husband serving as a deacon. ¬ ¬ There are not that many children in the church--maybe 14 total. ¬ ¬ One child is cut out of the party. And that one child just happens to be of mixed race.¬ ¬ I don't think it was just an oversight.

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That's disgusting. No child should suffer in any way,shape or form due to their colour of the skin.

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About 20 years ago, I was reading a newspaper article about a Southern Baptist church in Georgia. A woman began attending that church with her daughter. The poor child died. The mother asked that her child be buried in the church cemetery.

Now the husband had not attended church with the wife before the child's death. After that traumatic event, he came to church with his wife.

The wife was white. The husband was black. Some of the church members saw him at the funeral service--but thought he was one of the gravediggers.

Well, afterwards a delegation of deacons from the church approached the grieving mother, and said, "We didn't know that your child was of mixed race when she was interred in our church cemetery. There are some folks who are somewhat upset that a 'black' child would be buried there. We would like to have your permission to exhume your daughter's body and have her re-interred in a black cemetery. We would pay all the expenses."

I had been a member of Southern Baptist churches until that time. After reading the article, I no longer considered myself a member of that denomination.

Now, I am absolutely not saying that all members of that denomination are bigoted or prejudiced. There are many fine Southern Baptists. But there is no real church hierarchy in that denomination--each church is free to chart its own course. There is no bishop or archbishop who can remove a misbehaving pastor from a Southern Baptist church.

Today I am Anglican, or what is known as Episcopal in the USA. It's not a perfect church by any means, but it is inclusive. It doesn't matter if you are black, white, divorced or gay--you are welcome. You will not be denied communion if you are divorced and remarried, nor will you be denied the opportunity to serve in a church office if you are divorced or divorced and remarried.

Jesus never excluded anyone. He didn't tell the Syro-Phoenician women, who had had five husbands, to get lost. He didn't exclude tax collectors or foreigners from meals. I think Jesus would have some real issues with the current doctrines of the Catholic Church and some Southern Baptist churches.

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Again absolutely abhorrent.. Not to sound flippant but some churches need a good overhaul. I could say a lot worse and believe me I am biting my tongue as I speak.
What happened to us all being "gods creatures" No I will stop now before I offend anyone..

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I've noticed churches are kind of exclusive too, when they should be as inclusive as they possibly can. That's what Jesus would do. Plus church attendance has plummeted in the last 30 years. It used to be that 40% of the population regularly attended church and now it is less than 20%... and they're running people off.

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thats awful. im not religious in the slightest but i have been to various churches and my favourite one was the most relaxed vibe. everyone was welcome, there were openly gay and trans people, various races, professions, classes. it was actually quite good fun to go to that one. my ex was a regular goer so i used to go with him sometimes. and they were all so lovely and accepting towards me as well as they knew it wasnt my thing but i was still invited to all the lunches and even brought stuff along for them.

in my mind thats the kind of setting attitude that any deity would want to see in their beings. not hatred and the rejection of children over something so meaningless!

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I don't know why people try to hide their racist attitudes towards others, because it will always come out with their actions. That's just cruel. And it has a lasting effect on how that child will perceive themselves and the world around them...

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I think racism is a three-way road.

I always liked black gospel preaching and (more so) singing. It ranks high on my chart....
But having lived in the deep south, I noticed a mutual segregation of Baptist churches. The Baptist church of Vanilla, the Baptist church of Chocolate - so to speak AND that would include the Baptist church of Taco. The ethnic comparisons ad-nausium.
Anyway, I just wasn't under the impression that I could walk into an all black congregation and become a member - and rightfully so for reasons beyond my understanding.
I look at it like this: the racial purity of every country is preserved at its core. Every country has a society at the outer fringe that has more relaxed views where you can love, marry and bear off-spring with anyone you desire - this certainly preserves "mankind" but not necessarily the specific race.
As with all things, you have to shop to find that which suits your needs. There are plenty of Baptist churches that truly accept all people.
The third lane? I don't think you can walk away from bad experiences and simply chalk it up to racism. All nations want to keep their core identity - I see nothing wrong with that.

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DocteurRalph wrote:
I've noticed churches are kind of exclusive too, when they should be as inclusive as they possibly can. That's what Jesus would do. Plus church attendance has plummeted in the last 30 years. It used to be that 40% of the population regularly attended church and now it is less than 20%... and they're running people off.

This ^^^ is sadly true

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I think racism is a three-way road.

I always liked black gospel preaching and (more so) singing. It ranks high on my chart....
But having lived in the deep south, I noticed a mutual segregation of Baptist churches. The Baptist church of Vanilla, the Baptist church of Chocolate - so to speak AND that would include the Baptist church of Taco. The ethnic comparisons ad-nausium.
Anyway, I just wasn't under the impression that I could walk into an all black congregation and become a member - and rightfully so for reasons beyond my understanding.
I look at it like this: the racial purity of every country is preserved at its core. Every country has a society at the outer fringe that has more relaxed views where you can love, marry and bear off-spring with anyone you desire - this certainly preserves "mankind" but not necessarily the specific race.
As with all things, you have to shop to find that which suits your needs. There are plenty of Baptist churches that truly accept all people.
The third lane? I don't think you can walk away from bad experiences and simply chalk it up to racism. All nations want to keep their core identity - I see nothing wrong with that.

I believe that we are all in the same human family. Interestingly enough, I train African soldiers quite a lot. They often wear their blood types embroidered on a uniform patch. Many have the same blood type as I do.

And, while I believe that we are all in the same human family, I also believe that we all have unique cultures to preserve. I believe in immigration--but I also believe that immigration should not be unlimited.

Let's say we had a country on earth called Pangola, which has a population of 2 billion. Life there sucks because of overpopulation, pollution, unemployment, dictatorial government--you name it. So the people there would like to leave Pangola and go to a country where they can breathe free and have opportunities. Nothing wrong with that. Let's say also that the Pangolans worships a giant bug idol, and believe that their government should be dictated by the prophets of the bug. But now let's say that tens of millions of Pangolans start to leave their country and flood other countries. They are first coming ostensibly as refugees, but there are few women and children among them. Let's say the first country they will cross is Westernola. Now Westernola has a population of 10 million. How many Pangolans can Westernola absorb before the existing Westernola culture is overwhelmed, and their democratic institutions are replaced by bug-based government? How long before the Pangolans, who reproduce at a rate 2.5 times greater than the native Westernolans, surpass the native population and constitute a majority for political purposes?

That's the kind of thing that worries me. That's why sovereign nations exercise control over immigration. And I think immigration is definitely a good thing--within limits.

But when the host nation's culture could be overwhelmed and blotted out through massive immigration, I see that as a bad thing.

I don't see the ideal solution to the world's problems as being fixed through massive immigration movements--but in fixing those issues that trigger massive immigration movements in the first place.

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You know, Sherlock, I completely agree. Ironically, so does every native of Westernola....
However, since we are where we're at, there is a certain amount of the status quo to maintain at home base. And like you said, it does seem to be necessary to introspect the causal effect of mass migration from other points of the compass.
Honestly though, I don't think immigration (in and of itself), is the problem. It is the belief system of which these immigrants bring with them that causes imbalance to the infrastructure. If they come to Westernola, believing in the established principals, all is well and good, but it seems lately they're simply trying to establish the practice and corruption of the very country from which they have fled.

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DocteurRalph wrote:
I've noticed churches are kind of exclusive too, when they should be as inclusive as they possibly can. That's what Jesus would do. Plus church attendance has plummeted in the last 30 years. It used to be that 40% of the population regularly attended church and now it is less than 20%... and they're running people off.

This ^^^ is sadly true

Agreed, this IS both true and sad. But, who is Jesus?

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I'm in a different person's house whenever I work and I see a lot of black people with black Jesus pictures, it seems alright to me. I think we all have to realize no one really knows what he looked like, he was a Jewish carpenter if that helps.

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DocteurRalph wrote:
I think we all have to realize no one really knows what he looked like, he was a Jewish carpenter -

Well.... A walk through Egyptian history brings one to difficult conclusion.

Secondly, as it was once told to me; "All Hebrews are Jews but not all Jews are Hebrews."

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