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One of the most interesting things in life is to learn about stages and stations.

To obtain wisdom and experience and to expand and share this as well as observing the natural cycle in others.
As with anything, itโ€™s two folded, which means that some will progress while others choose to remain the same.

Iโ€™ve been curious about this behavior for a long time. Why someone would choose to lock themselves into a box and then be miserable in it. Such behavior is toxic and everyone that comes close will be tainted by it. Still some out of the goodness of their heart will feed this bitterness and maintain the status quo nstead of giving proper aid so that the individual can grow.

Everywhere the patterns emerge and reoccur. Nobody is left outside this cycle and we can all see ourselves at some stage in it as well. We can feel ourselves be challenged at times, but will later be grateful as it helped us transform what was holding us back. Yet again, on certain levels we just refuse to put the needed effort in and we continue to suffer, putting the blame on anything and everyone else instead of directing it back to where it needs be.

I have come to learn that each must walk his own path, but that there is a lot of wasted potential and it does sadden me. I see many people trapped in a prison of their own making, being miserable while pretending to be something they are not.

Why are people so afraid of all that is real?

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Interesting perspective Grim, I'm gonna have to give this some thought.

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As I see it, I have a choice between two world views.

1. There is no God. We are here due to a series of cosmic and biological accidents. We all have a finite existence in a finite cosmos. We will all eventually die and our consciousness will fade into oblivion. About five billion years from now, the sun will expand to the orbit of Mars and incinerate the earth. Some trillions or quadrillions of years from now, the last star will wink out and the cosmos will be engulfed in everlasting darkness. Some google trillion years from now, the last proton will disintegrate and there will be absolutely nothing left to say that we lived, that we loved, or that we counted for anything.

2. There is a God. There is a Plan. Our physical death will not be the end of our consciousness. The old cosmos and earth will pass away, but they will be replaced by a new cosmos with a new earth. We will live forever and our minds will keep expanding. We will have attained eternal paradise.

Nothing we do matters if the first world view is correct.

Everything we do matters if the second world view is correct.

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A heart is but a muscle,
That keeps us all alive,
It pumps the life blood in us,
Without it we'd not survive.

It beats in many rhythms,
And mirrors most in size,
It doesn't feed us data,
Nor does it make us wise.

It stores the love inside us,
It races when we fear,
And it leaks very slowly,
Each time we shed a tear.

So many make choices from it,
The ones they do believe,
It helps us with compassion,
And sinks each time we grieve.

It breaks many times in life,
Sometimes we feel it knot,
We should cherish it dearly,
Its the greatest gift we've got.

Shall we not use it wisely,
For we feel it ache,
Yet even though protected,
Others can obtain its break.

Yet also can they fill it,
And give it such a lift,
Wear it gently On your sleeve,
And give it as a gift.

Mine is tired and old now,
And sore upon a touch,
But I think I've used it carefully,
In fact maybe too much.

Its not so strong anymore,
But still I know it's there,
What's left I gladly offer,
Its yours my friend too share.

This amazing poem is by Karl Richardson. ๐Ÿ˜

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Sherlock wrote:
As I see it, I have a choice between two world views.

1. There is no God. We are here due to a series of cosmic and biological accidents. We all have a finite existence in a finite cosmos. We will all eventually die and our consciousness will fade into oblivion. About five billion years from now, the sun will expand to the orbit of Mars and incinerate the earth. Some trillions or quadrillions of years from now, the last star will wink out and the cosmos will be engulfed in everlasting darkness. Some google trillion years from now, the last proton will disintegrate and there will be absolutely nothing left to say that we lived, that we loved, or that we counted for anything.

2. There is a God. There is a Plan. Our physical death will not be the end of our consciousness. The old cosmos and earth will pass away, but they will be replaced by a new cosmos with a new earth. We will live forever and our minds will keep expanding. We will have attained eternal paradise.

Nothing we do matters if the first world view is correct.

Everything we do matters if the second world view is correct.

Putting things into dualism of black and white would not do you much good. Itโ€™s a difficult way of living trying to see everything as one or the other when both are linked together.

So I would say, based in spirituality, these views would not work.
And I would say based on observations and science, these views would not work.

To formulate a comprehensive answer to the comment and give understanding would be too time consuming Iโ€™m afraid.
Still, I do appreciate the answer. So thank you for your thoughts.

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Evansent wrote:
A heart is but a muscle,
That keeps us all alive,
It pumps the life blood in us,
Without it we'd not survive.

It beats in many rhythms,
And mirrors most in size,
It doesn't feed us data,
Nor does it make us wise.

It stores the love inside us,
It races when we fear,
And it leaks very slowly,
Each time we shed a tear.

So many make choices from it,
The ones they do believe,
It helps us with compassion,
And sinks each time we grieve.

It breaks many times in life,
Sometimes we feel it knot,
We should cherish it dearly,
Its the greatest gift we've got.

Shall we not use it wisely,
For we feel it ache,
Yet even though protected,
Others can obtain its break.

Yet also can they fill it,
And give it such a lift,
Wear it gently On your sleeve,
And give it as a gift.

Mine is tired and old now,
And sore upon a touch,
But I think I've used it carefully,
In fact maybe too much.

Its not so strong anymore,
But still I know it's there,
What's left I gladly offer,
Its yours my friend too share.

The heart holds so much more than we think.
Many of our problems comes because of loosing the heart connection. We become too much mind.

In the body we have many centers of intelligence. The heart muscle have been shown to have capacities that resemble the brain. The same goes for the gut.
If we carry on the separations, we will never get anywhere. We need unification and cooperation. This starts within ourselves. If we cannot eve reach our own hearts, what chances have we if reaching another?
It would merely turn into the blind leading the blind so to speak.


Think that most can feel tired in the heart at times, but itโ€™s also a place of eternal youth. A closing would be detrimental, but an opening will revive it.
Itโ€™s also important to keep shining a light into it and to work on maintenance.
In some schools they talk about polishing the heart to get a clear connection with that which is beyond. These are abstract principles and will only be understood when felt.

In any case we do need to start work on the individual level to make a difference. To sanitize and develop the self. Not talking about the ego here, but the real self.
On that journey, some interesting things comes along the way.

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A ponderous exchange.

Yes, yes doctor! A full frontal lobotomy is what he wants

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Sherlock wrote:
As I see it, I have a choice between two world views.

1. There is no God. We are here due to a series of cosmic and biological accidents. We all have a finite existence in a finite cosmos. We will all eventually die and our consciousness will fade into oblivion. About five billion years from now, the sun will expand to the orbit of Mars and incinerate the earth. Some trillions or quadrillions of years from now, the last star will wink out and the cosmos will be engulfed in everlasting darkness. Some google trillion years from now, the last proton will disintegrate and there will be absolutely nothing left to say that we lived, that we loved, or that we counted for anything.

2. There is a God. There is a Plan. Our physical death will not be the end of our consciousness. The old cosmos and earth will pass away, but they will be replaced by a new cosmos with a new earth. We will live forever and our minds will keep expanding. We will have attained eternal paradise.

Nothing we do matters if the first world view is correct.

Everything we do matters if the second world view is correct.

I don't like subscribing to either of these views. I think if you ignore both of them, a world of possibility opens up to you. A world not determined by others but of your own entirely.

At least that's how I try to look at it.

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twosocks wrote:

I don't like subscribing to either of these views. I think if you ignore both of them, a world of possibility opens up to you. A world not determined by others but of your own entirely.

At least that's how I try to look at it.

I think both have validity, but neither can be all end all.

We cannot form our own world as we are entangled with the will of others. The language we use for example is not our own, most of our ideas are transplanted and our views shaped by interaction with others.

Still, i do like the idea of gaining more power for the individual and for the self to make sound choices instead of just following.
Thank you for your reply.

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There is only one right view. The goal in life is finding it before we expire.

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Big Al and I are on the same philosophical sheet of music.

I am an "Occam's Razor" person. Too many philosophies carry too much baggage to be useful. And most "philosophical systems" are micro in scope.

Without a macro view, we cannot see the forest for the trees.

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Sherlock wrote:
Big Al and I are on the same philosophical sheet of music.

I am an "Occam's Razor" person. Too many philosophies carry too much baggage to be useful. And most "philosophical systems" are micro in scope.

Without a macro view, we cannot see the forest for the trees.

Aye!๐Ÿ‘

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Big-Al-One wrote:
There is only one right view. The goal in life is finding it before we expire.

In a sense, I do adhere to this. Though itโ€™s complicated to formulate words to make sense of what it entails.
Thank you for your answer.

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Sherlock wrote:
Big Al and I are on the same philosophical sheet of music.

I am an "Occam's Razor" person. Too many philosophies carry too much baggage to be useful. And most "philosophical systems" are micro in scope.

Without a macro view, we cannot see the forest for the trees.

I do not hold down any specific philosophical system. I think all have value, but that there is not enough understanding about these things.

I find that the more I expand my own way of thinking, the wider the range of the scope becomes.

Many people I talk to have narrow views. Itโ€™s easier to choose black or white than to obtain an understanding of the whole and all the range within.
It becomes increasingly difficult to converse with breadth, because so much is included and so much is excluded at the same time that it becomes insufficient.

Talking about trees and forests would be a good place to start, but those are very small on a grand scale and would not necessary be pertinent to the actions discussed. Like how does the forest impact the celestial movements?
We could say that the celestial impact the forest, and for that we merely needs to go into the woods to look. It would be important to both look at the tree and the forest as a whole, but also understand what is beyond the obvious. Both into the micro and into the macro there are things of value to be studied further.

A problem we have is to find a certain explanation that can be held as true. For anything in this realm focused on a low level, itโ€™s only possible for anything to be true within a finite moment. This truth also changes.
The easy look on that is that there was a time before trees and forests and there will be a time after it.

Thank you for your thoughts.

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Certainly requires contemplation and not just a quick response.

For the past months I've been reading Meditations by Marcus Aurelius. I find value in it for perspective on the paths chosen by others, among other things.

Sherlock by olga tereshenko d9qdidc
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Poor Marcus. A shrewish wife and a monster for a son!

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Sherlock wrote:
Poor Marcus. A shrewish wife and a monster for a son!

Maybe that's what drove him to stoicism? As a Star Trek fan (but not fanatic) I'm pretty sure the Vulcan ethic is mostly based on stoicism. It does contain wisdom though.

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I can see where he'd be driven to Stoicism.

I have a silver denarius with Marcus Aurelius' inscription upon it. Got it in Germany.

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