This post is my safe place for holding onto bits im learning about the bible...
All of the following words in this reply are from somene else. I am collecting pieces to try and make sense of things:
Colossians 1:16,17
NWT: because by means of him all [other] things were created in the heavens and upon the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, no matter whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All [other] things have been created through him and for him. Also, he is before all [other] things and by means of him all [other] things were made to exist,
NIV: For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.
NASB: For by Him all things were created, {both} in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities--all things have been created through Him and for Him. He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.
KJV: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether [they be] thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
DISCUSSION: This is one of those passages that speak clearly toward the deity of Jesus Christ and His role as the Creator of all things. It’s also one of those passages where the Watchtower Society is powerless to form an argument from the Greek, so they play the brackets game. In order to deny the deity of Jesus Christ and to buttress their argument that Jesus was simply the first of God’s creations, they insert the word “other”. The NWT reads that Jesus, as the first created being, created all “other” things. Since the Greek word for “other” is not found in the Greek manuscripts, they bracket the word to indicate that they’re inserting a word that does not belong. This additional word does not help the flow or clarity of the text, but is instead designed to attack the explicit biblical teaching of Christ’s deity and role as Creator. Greek scholar and theologian Robert Reymond referred to the addition of “other” as “sheer theological perversity…”[2] As an example of the deceptive practices of the Watchtower Society, the 1950 version of the NWT did not bracket the word “other,” making it appear that it was part of the Greek Text. Only since 1961, when pressured to do so by Bible scholars, did they add the brackets.
How do i add pictures? @Padre_J_Roulston @Rockster160 @soco anyone? Pictures i have savedon my phone? And how can i add the link so that ther is an amiage o go with it? Like when they load up on fb they tend to show a picture alongside the link just underneath
"This is why Jw org only goes back to 1970. The late 60s was horrendous, with all the proof of 1975 false prophesy too. "
"There is a demon hand on Page 52 of the red Revelation book (behind Jesus) and a demon face in Jesus hand on page 159 of the red Revelation book. Do you own that book? Go and look! There are many more also. "
"Massive proof that they downgrade Jesus - go and look at the GLOSSARY at the back of the NWT bible 2013. Look up JESUS. what do you see?"
"Kathy Gipson Doerscher The great crowd is in heaven in Revelation 7. The word used in verse 15 about the great crowd is TEMPLE and its NAOS in greek. It means the holy of holies - in other words, they are in heaven where God dwells. It literally means the dwelling place of God. They will try and say its the temple outer courtyard therefore earth, but you can say that the greek for the outer courtyard is HIERON. Also point them to Revelation 19:1 which is the same great crowd (exact same greek term). Also, new heaven and new earth is ONE REALM where God dwells, in Revelation 21 and 22. "
"I have old watchtower and awake magazine’s and old bibles as well that prove that the society once believed in the trinity also. In fact they shamelessly still have the fact that the Word in John 1:1 is God in their own Interlinear so you don’t have to look too far"
"The governing body purposely downgrade Jesus so they can promote THEMSELVES to His level. They self appointed themselves as part of the 144,000 & the faithful slave with absolutely zero evidence & jws are not to question them because of course, according to them, God & jesus trust THEM implicitly. They cannot provide any proof of there claims yet current members believe them."
"Doz Ballard
( YHWH or JHVH )
once you know the only true GOD,
( JOHN 17:3 ). the supreme in the universe, the highest in the universe only the tetragrammaton ( YHWH ) ( JHVH ). translated by scholar william tyndale in 1600's he pronounce the hebrew name YHWH to JEHOVAH. he translate
KING JAMES VERSION 1611.
he pronounce the YHWH in the name of god in hebrew. JHVH. ( JEHOVAH )..
that is the highest name in the universe. PSALM 83:18
then the tetragrammaton YHWH or JHVH said before me there was no god formed.
ISAIAH 43:10.
He said also that
I'am the almighty GOD, the GOD of ABRAHAM, ISAAC, JACOB.
GENESES 17:1
in EXODO 3:15 said, these is my name my memorial unto all generations.
JESUS
Jesus, is firstborn of all creation. Jesus, is the first creation of all creation. COLOSIANS 1:15
jesus, is the beginning of all creation. Revelation 3:14
Then in proverbs 8:22-30 when the tetragrammaton ( YHWH ) or( JHVH ) YaHWeH, or JeHoVaH. when he create the earth and heavens, jesus, said i was there he was daily delight and rejoice me.
The tetragrammaton create jesus, as beginning of his way. Jesus, is a first creation to all creation.
SPIRIT
GENESES 1:2 when the tetragrammaton YHWH or JHVH, YaHWeH or JeHoVaH. He create the world, he used his SPIRIT, in geneses he used spirit to moved upon surfaced of the water, once the object move there is a forced.
In these TEXT the
SPIRIT of GOD is an
ACTIVE FORCE OF GOD.
He used spirit, to guide us. Even in the time of JESUS, when the apostles asked him when is the time the kingdom of israel will restore??.
The spirit of god used in that text."
www.youtube.com/c/witnessforjesus
Someone said to see the part sayng, is jesus God?
"Dawn Llisone jesus, is GOD, then he became a man like us. Mathew 1:21
how can he become GOD??
Malachi 3:6 james 1:17
GOD, cannot CHANGE. "
JW's don't know the truth either. Charles Russell was a false prophet. False prophets spread false prophecy.
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Ancient Greek looks and sounds really pretty:
ΠΡΟΣ ΚΟΛΟΣΣΑΕΙΣ 1:16
ὅτι ἐν αὐτῷ ἐκτίσθη τὰ πάντα ἐν τοῖς οὐρανοῖς καὶ ἐπὶ τῆς γῆς, τὰ ὁρατὰ καὶ τὰ ἀόρατα, εἴτε θρόνοι εἴτε κυριότητες εἴτε ἀρχαὶ εἴτε ἐξουσίαι· τὰ πάντα δι’ αὐτοῦ καὶ εἰς αὐτὸν ἔκτισται·
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Due to my medication change, I am finding it hard to concentrate on much of anything right now. So, I don't know how much help I will be at the moment. However, if I understand, you are asking about which translation would be the better/best...
This chart may help. Personally I use the NRSV and NIV most often.
https://i.ibb.co/SnJ1Gqn/Bible-comparison.png
NacthoMan wrote:
i think .. no offense..Shakespeare holds more truths to the ills and lights of humanity's reality..
only trouble is .. they're hard to read .. uggh
That was beautiful, man.
Actually, -.- everything I was hopelessly trying to say could have been said more succinctly:
NacthoMan wrote:
i think .. no offense..Shakespeare holds more truths to the ills and lights of humanity's reality..
only trouble is .. they're hard to read .. uggh
soco wrote:
JW's don't know the truth either. Charles Russell was a false prophet. False prophets spread false prophecy.
Whos he? Btw i agree. This is why im collecting bits to try discern the truth. Or atleast the closest to the truth i can find.
@Padre_J_Roulston thts helpful, thanks for tha. Im surprised that the ne world testament doesnt seem to be on there which is the one i have been reading from and now having some doubts regarding its translation :/
Oh i was asking you how do i add pictures into comments?
Lano wrote:
Ancient Greek looks and sounds really pretty:ΠΡΟΣ ΚΟΛΟΣΣΑΕΙΣ 1:16
ὅτι ἐν αὐτῷ ἐκτίσθη τὰ πάντα ἐν τοῖς οὐρανοῖς καὶ ἐπὶ τῆς γῆς, τὰ ὁρατὰ καὶ τὰ ἀόρατα, εἴτε θρόνοι εἴτε κυριότητες εἴτε ἀρχαὶ εἴτε ἐξουσίαι· τὰ πάντα δι’ αὐτοῦ καὶ εἰς αὐτὸν ἔκτισται·
Id love to learn greek. Im lucky to have some jewish friends who now herbrew. And i figured i might be able to ask them about some translaions as to their accuracy. Its a thought anyway
"Yes, and only one reference to Jesus. They definitely "down" play the name of Jesus. They even changed Romans 10:13 to say that we are saved by the name of Jehovah with the context of that chapter is clearly talking about the Lord Jesus. "
Jetmoo wrote:
Oh i was asking you how do i add pictures into comments?
I just added a link to an online picture. I used this service: https://imgbb.com/
Thank you @Padre_J_Roulston i think it looks abit complicated for me 😅 lol
Jetmoo wrote:
Id love to learn greek. Im lucky to have some jewish friends who now herbrew. And i figured i might be able to ask them about some translaions as to their accuracy. Its a thought anyway
I've always thought that if I get a tattoo I will get some phrase or something in Ancient Greek. That'd be neat.
I don't think I want a tattoo though. It's just a fun thought.
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Lano wrote:
Jetmoo wrote:
Id love to learn greek. Im lucky to have some jewish friends who now herbrew. And i figured i might be able to ask them about some translaions as to their accuracy. Its a thought anyway
I've always thought that if I get a tattoo I will get some phrase or something in Ancient Greek. That'd be neat.
I don't think I want a tattoo though. It's just a fun thought.
I suggest the Greek translation of "This page/space left intentionally blank." right in the center of the back in extremely small letters.
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soco wrote:
Lano wrote:
Jetmoo wrote:
Id love to learn greek. Im lucky to have some jewish friends who now herbrew. And i figured i might be able to ask them about some translaions as to their accuracy. Its a thought anyway
I've always thought that if I get a tattoo I will get some phrase or something in Ancient Greek. That'd be neat.
I don't think I want a tattoo though. It's just a fun thought.
I suggest the Greek translation of "This page/space left intentionally blank." right in the center of the back in extremely small letters.
Haha that is so random!😁
I have a dove tattoo. It means freedom. I am free and no one will hold me down. I am free to be myself. It also me and love sets u free. I was gona get the words aswell but i never did.
Tattoos have stuff in them that are not gud for health so i wouldnt get another.
soco wrote:
I suggest the Greek translation of "This page/space left intentionally blank." right in the center of the back in extremely small letters.
lol
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