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Helpbot is depressed.,The statement below is false.,The statement above is true.,@Rockster160 this is for you.

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If you are contemplating suicide, hurting yourself, or you are seriously depressed: please, seek professional help!

Call this hotline (1-800-273-8255) operated by our friends at the Suicide Prevention Lifeline, anytime, for free, professional, and confidential assistance. While other Helpers are likely to reply to your post, please make sure you understand that your use of Help-QA.com falls under or TOS.

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Well, that was slightly underwhelming.

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That's one awesome drawing, jeb - where's it from?

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By the way, finally found a query not containing helpqa where we're showing up, as the 3rd result no less:

http://i68.tinypic.com/9sciad.jpg

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Test.ยฌ ยฌ [poll:: Helpbot is depressed.,, The statement below is false.,, The statement above is true.,@] @Rockster160 this is for you.].

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Test.ยฌ ยฌ [poll: Helpbot is depressed, The statement below is false, The statement above is true] @] ยฌ @Rockster160 this is for you.

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Test.ยฌ ยฌ [.ยฌ [poll: Helpbot is depressed, The statement below is false, The statement above is true] ยฌ @Rockster160 this is for you.

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Yอคอญอฅฬ‡eti. wrote:
That's one awesome drawing, jeb - where's it from?

idk, just googled helpbot, google images

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Test.ยฌ [poll: HelpbotoptionHelpbot is depressed, TheoptionThe statement below is false, TheoptionThe statement above is true] ยฌ @Rockster160 this is for you.

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Test.ยฌ [poll: optionHelpbotHelpbot is depressed, optionTheThe statement below is false, optionTheThe statement above is true] ยฌ @Rockster160 this is for you.

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Test.ยฌ [poll: Helpbot is depressed, The statement below is false, The statement above is true] ยฌ @Rockster160 this is for you.

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Just needs the magic touch. ๐Ÿ˜‰

(Actually- the problem was that it expected a space after [poll rather than a colon. But that's fixed now and you can do both. ๐Ÿ˜…)

๐•อคอญอฅฬ‡๐•–๐•ฅ๐•šใ€‚(Yeti.) edited this post .

Test.ยฌ [poll] ยฌ @: Helpbot is depressed.,The statement below is false.,The statement above is true.,@Rockster160 this is for you..]

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Test.ยฌ [poll: :Helpbot is depressed.,The statement below is false.,The statement above is true.,@Rockster160 this is for you.]

Rockster160 wrote:
Just needs the magic touch. ๐Ÿ˜‰

(Actually- the problem was that it expected a space after [poll rather than a colon. But that's fixed now and you can do both. ๐Ÿ˜…)

It shows up as just [poll] in edit mode, is that intended?

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๐•อคอญอฅฬ‡๐•–๐•ฅ๐•šใ€‚(Yeti.) edited this post .

Test.ยฌ [poll:Helpbot is depressed.,,The statement below is false.,,The statement above is true.,@,@Rockster160 this is for you.]]

๐•อคอญอฅฬ‡๐•–๐•ฅ๐•šใ€‚(Yeti.) edited this post .

Test.ยฌ [poll:Helpbot is depressed,.,The statement below is false,.,The statement above is true,@.]ยฌ @Rockster160 this is for you].

๐•อคอญอฅฬ‡๐•–๐•ฅ๐•šใ€‚(Yeti.) edited this post .

Test.ยฌ [poll:Helpbot is depressed.,The statement below is false.,The statement above is true.]ยฌ @.@Rockster160 this is for you..]

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Test.ยฌ [poll:Helpbot is depressed.,The statement below is false.,The statement above is true.@.,@Rockster160 this is for you.]

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Yอคอญอฅฬ‡eti. wrote:
That's one awesome drawing, jeb - where's it from?

idk, just googled helpbot, google images

Another creation lost to time, 'twould seem. Thanks for posting it, regardless.

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Yอคอญอฅฬ‡eti. wrote:

Rockster160 wrote:
Just needs the magic touch. ๐Ÿ˜‰

(Actually- the problem was that it expected a space after [poll rather than a colon. But that's fixed now and you can do both. ๐Ÿ˜…)

It shows up as just [poll] in edit mode, is that intended?

That is intended, yes. Polls currently cannot be edited- due to the fact the poster would be able to technically change the votes that users have done. Do you recall how that was handled in the past, or, more importantly- can you think of a better method of handling it?

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And one the poll is created for a post- you can't create a new one either... May change that though. I seem to remember only 1 poll per post being allowed. ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ

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Yอคอญอฅฬ‡eti. wrote:

Rockster160 wrote:
Just needs the magic touch. ๐Ÿ˜‰

(Actually- the problem was that it expected a space after [poll rather than a colon. But that's fixed now and you can do both. ๐Ÿ˜…)

It shows up as just [poll] in edit mode, is that intended?

That is intended, yes. Polls currently cannot be edited- due to the fact the poster would be able to technically change the votes that users have done. Do you recall how that was handled in the past, or, more importantly- can you think of a better method of handling it?

Do you have polls and votes tables?
If so, it might accept a limited form of adjustment - adding and removing options based on exact textual match to current options.

E.g:
- I start with a poll [a,b,c].
- People vote 5/7/3.
- I edit to add an option [a,b,c,d] -> Existing options retain their user vote counts, d starts with 0.
- Some other user votes d in the meantime.
- I edit, removing a -> 7/3/1, the 5 who voted a may re-vote (but no delete is performed).
- One of the 5 changes their vote to b (8/3/1). This upserts the table. Assuming vote changes are permitted, this could extend to anyone else too.
- I edit, re-adding a in the end -> 8/3/1/4.

Multiple polls could potentially be added through a poll id / seq key in both tables, including the number edit mode after poll keyword - that way, can change the order of the polls. Notwithstanding, too few polls to justify the feature, really.

What do you think?
How does it work in favourite replies, when someone's reply gets removed (and possibly re-added)?

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I was talking about the user-facing parts. ๐Ÿ˜„ The code is easy regardless.

I'm more worried about keeping the integrity of the poll and keeping it easily-usable.

Most polls don't allow for votes to be changed, and anonymize the results until the vote is made to keep the results unbiased from previous answers. I thought it would make sense to have the editing of the poll work the same way- but maybe not.

A fuzzy match on the options is doable, I just worry about over-complicating it for people. Plus fuzzy matching isn't the most reliable when it comes to editing things. It might be adding an apostrophe, but it might also be changing the entire sentence structure and words of an option because people weren't able to understand it so it was edited for clarity.

Removing options and allowing for revotes on removed options I feel like would get messy on a user's perspective quickly though.

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Good point on the favorited replies- as of now, the favorites are kept, but a user isn't able to choose a new reply. Maybe the best way to handle both situations would be to remove all of the previously selected options, opening the ability to revote/refavorite a different reply. As far as bringing back the old options- not an issue with favorites since you can change your favorite reply- not sure how to handle that cleanly unless we just say it's a far enough edge case that it's not that big of an issue. ๐Ÿค”
I don't like the cop-out, but I'm not sure how else to keep it clean and consistent.
Unless we just bail on the whole no-editing thing and have it be free game.

Well, from the user perspective, I concur regarding the anonymity - only the db knows who voted what, and provides counts to voters. As for the static vote, if we take the practical example of, say, a feature list - once you've added a new suggestion, potentially everyone might prefer this one, now that it's been brought up; when a feature is complete, those who have voted on it may opt for their second preference.
Why do you consider fuzzy matching to complicate things for the user? Isn't it exactly the same as writing the poll out in the first place? As far as reliability, yeah, but that's about the most you can get without making or enforcing structure assumptions, as far as I see.
If the op wants a reliable kind of poll for statistics or whatnot, I think a separate static poll [spoll], such as the kind we have now, would be the more suitable tool (with an "other - reply") option.
I wouldn't reset the poll implicitly, after the (front page) time spent to collect votes.

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Yอคอญอฅฬ‡eti. wrote:
Well, from the user perspective, I concur regarding the anonymity - only the db knows who voted what, and provides counts to voters.

Sorry- by anonymity, I was referring to the fact that the current votes are hidden until a user has voted. So before a vote- they only see the options. Then they vote "B". Then the current standings are revealed. They see that everybody else voted "A". Out of embarrassment, they then change their answer to "A"- successfully rendering the results as biased as users change their vote to fit the norm. (Despite being anonymous, users are still inclined to vote for the popular options.)

Yอคอญอฅฬ‡eti. wrote:
As for the static vote, if we take the practical example of, say, a feature list - once you've added a new suggestion, potentially everyone might prefer this one, now that it's been brought up; when a feature is complete, those who have voted on it may opt for their second preference.

I would say in this case, a second poll/post would be made, as many things could have changed between the times, new users could be around, etc.

Yอคอญอฅฬ‡eti. wrote:
Why do you consider fuzzy matching to complicate things for the user? Isn't it exactly the same as writing the poll out in the first place?

My concern would be the fact that they may attempt to change the text for an option to add clarity. For example, "Broken stuff"
Nobody understood, so they edit for clarity: "Things that have been destroyed." A fuzzy text would see no resemblance, and thus- a new option would be created, but the user expected/wanted to simply edit the existing option. The loss of votes would be confusing. Especially if the option was edited in the same place as the previous one.

A possible fix would be to replace the markdown for the poll with a more advanced style. This would be confusing, but assuming people aren't NORMALLY going to be editing polls anyway it might be okay.

So to start, a user might enter

[poll Option 1, Option 2, Option 3]

But the server would change that into

[poll:12345]
[option:123 Option 1]
[option:124 Option 2]
[option:125 Option 3]
[/poll]

Then options could be edited, reordered, removed, or added. It's definitely more complex, but allows for more control without relying on fuzzy text.

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Rockster160 wrote:
Polls currently cannot be edited- due to the fact the poster would be able to technically change the votes that users have done. Do you recall how that was handled in the past, or, more importantly- can you think of a better method of handling it?

My sincere apologies Yeti. I only was trying to edit the markdown code because it wasn't appearing right on my end. Makes since now to have polls uneditable. But I honestly did not know this ahead of time. So sorry.

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soco wrote:

Rockster160 wrote:
Polls currently cannot be edited- due to the fact the poster would be able to technically change the votes that users have done. Do you recall how that was handled in the past, or, more importantly- can you think of a better method of handling it?

My sincere apologies Yeti. I only was trying to edit the markdown code because it wasn't appearing right on my end. Makes since now to have polls uneditable. But I honestly did not know this ahead of time. So sorry.

It was already broken. ๐Ÿ˜„

It will actually still be working if itโ€™s edited and the poll is changed to [poll]

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Test.ยฌ [poll:]Helpbot is depressed.,The statement below is false.,The statement above is true.,@Rockster160 this is for you.].

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Tada!

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3 to 1.

Damn Republicans!

I was gonna vote helpbot is depressed, but they made it seem like a binary choice. Then I found out someone had already voted the same and wanted to change to helpbot is depressed, yet was informed that would introduce statistical bias.
Ultimately, helpbot doesn't get the love helpbot deserves cus nobody thinks about helpbot's welfare first.

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Yอคอญอฅฬ‡eti. wrote:
I was gonna vote helpbot is depressed, but they made it seem like a binary choice. Then I found out someone had already voted the same and wanted to change to helpbot is depressed, yet was informed that would introduce statistical bias.
Ultimately, helpbot doesn't get the love helpbot deserves cus nobody thinks about helpbot's welfare first.

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HelpBot is homeless And living on Wellfare?!? We need to remedy that right away.

Hey @Nevermind Can HelpBot move in with you? Doesn't eat much, just a few dozen Duracells once a week. Tidy's up after himself. Gets along well with others. Has not been tested with pets though. How many weevils you own....? 12...? He should be fine.

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Helpbot can move it. I made friends with my printer. I'm sure I'll make better friends wirh helpbot

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HelpBot has his own printer. Occasionally he prints some binary code on a roll of toilet paper.
Don't worry. You can still use it.

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So back to the implementation-
Do we want polls to be editable, or is it best to lock them in once theyโ€™re set to avoid changing options?
If goals are editable- do we want options editable as well?

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Can you restrict the editing to only the original poster?

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Yep! Will also possibly be adding soon the changes from edits so you can see what was changed between edits any way.

Rockster160 wrote:
So back to the implementation-
Do we want polls to be editable, or is it best to lock them in once theyโ€™re set to avoid changing options?
If goals are editable- do we want options editable as well?

It's a feature like any other (as a separate entity from static poll). When available and known, someone will find a use for it. The big caveat of front page time might be opposed to an extent by notification & invitation. Definitely has a low benefit to investment ratio, nevertheless.

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'''Test.ยฌ [poll]Helpbot is depressed.,The statement below is false.,The statement above is true.,@Rockster160 this is for you.

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'''`Test.ยฌ [.`ยฌ [poll]Helpbot is depressed.,The statement below is false.,The statement above is true.,@Rockster160 this is for you.

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`[quote]`Test.`ยฌ [.`[/quote]ยฌ [poll]Helpbot is depressed.,The statement below is false.,The statement above is true.,@Rockster160 this is for you.

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