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Do you think Trump should be impeached?

Yorick wrote:

i could go on.. bottem line.. look after yourself not others - THAT my friends .. is freedom.

At the end of the day, I think everyone feels that way. However, there are moments in history where that view ends up smacking you right in the mouth and it's too late to say "if only I paid attention, maybe I could have changed something."

At the same time, does paying attention help if everyone is spinning and it's hard to tell up from down? What's the truth, who knows it, who should I believe?

This is one case where, to me, things aren't really all that complicated. These are facts that NO ONE on either side of the aisle are disputing:

1. Ukraine is being invaded by Russia
2. We should care, because it has repercussions for American national security.
3. Congress, both repubs and dems, voted to give the Ukraine security assistance.
4. There was a hold put on releasing the security assistance, and no one seems to know why.
5.Rudy Giuliani, the President's personal lawyer, ran a smear campaign against the former Ukraine ambassador, who was tough on corruption, to get her out of office, and no one seems to know why.
6. The infamous call transcript where (in my opinion) it sure SOUNDS like Trump is soliciting a bribe, but he doesn't quite say he is in so many words. (by the way, the transcript is only three pages of dialogue long, it's worth a read.)
7. The aid was finally released (if I remember correctly) two days after Congress announced it was going to do an investigation into the matter.


Now, there is more from witness testimony, much more, and the rest sort of relies on whether or not you believe those witnesses...witnesses who are putting their careers and reputations on the line to testify, defying executive orders not to testify, and have excellent reputations in their field. You can dismiss a lot of it as circumstantial, or say that the witnesses were assuming things without proof. Bottom line though, is that they all saw weird stuff going down and it really seemed to them then (or now, that they know all the facts) like Trump was trying to solicit a bribe.

The bombshell for me from the witnesses testimony that I remember best is when sondland said that Giuliani told him that a white house meeting was conditioned on the Ukraine prez doing investigations into the bidens. This guy has NO motivation to lie about that.

Now, we don't have a video tape where the prez admits to wrong doing, and more importantly, the Ukraine prez claims that he was not pressured to do anything. These are important facts as well, but in my opinion they are heavily outweighed by the other information. There is a whole thing about whether or not Trump believed a debunked conspiracy theory propagated by the Russians about Ukrainian interference in 2016 elections. It could be that Trump really believed that, which is why I say above, in the best reading of the facts, Trump is an idiot.

Now, that was more than i thought it was when i started writing, and granted, you're relying on my interpretation and biases of what I saw so take it with a grain of salt, but it seems to me, SOMETHING gross happened. If trump doesn't get impeached, I won't be mad, but I'm glad they are doing an investigation! This stuff really is life or death and it's finally getting the attention it deserves, I can understand not having an opinion and there really isn't much the average person can do on a day to day basis but I think one has to appreciate the weight of the issues. It really isn't just a distraction, in fact, this is one of the few times where a real issue that deserves attention is being put in the spotlight: Namely, the russian invasion of Ukraine.

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Do you think Trump should be impeached?

Araz wrote:
I hate Trump so much. I dislike that man from the core center of my being. I hate that he was elected in the first place and I agree with you. I hope he is impeached, and if he isn't, I hope there are some sort of ramifications.

I've heard talk about possibly a "censure" being passed saying "you done wrong trump, dont do it again." But with so few republicans seeming to be even willing to admit something fishy went on, that's probably unlikely.

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Do you think Trump should be impeached?

I'm registered as independent but i never liked trump from way back before he was even political. However i was honestly much less in favor of impeachment before the hearings. I dont think we should impeach presidents on a whim but the hearing talked me into why it would be justified to do so in this situation.

It fascintes me how my own mind was changed by them but so few others have been affected, one way or the other

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Do you think Trump should be impeached?

aeolians.revenge wrote:
Also keep in mind when you keep attacking trump you are also attacking his supporters who could be potential voters for the democrats. Your pushing away swing voters in this witchhunt.
Its literally killing the democrats.
The best move the democrats could do is to find a candidate that resonates with voters.
America has some rwal problems and the dems. Are focusing in on a hate campaign which will backfire.
The left focusing in on which bathroom to use at target isnt a strong enough platform to win 2020.
I believe if they would moderate their platform and seduce trump supporters than they can have a chance.
They are choosing a hate campaign which in my oppinion will totally backfire giving trump a landslide.
The old system will vanish if you offer americans a more viable and better system.

Does that mean the dems are only doing the impeachment thing cus they hate trump? I don't believe that myself. If trump did something worthy of impeachment, shouldn't he be impeached? Pence would take his place and then presumably run next year, or there will be a different republican candidate.

In any case you may be right about how this will effect the election, there is a good chance the impeachment thing is just going to make more trump supporters vote.

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My boss is just awful.

Also sorry for your loss

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My boss is just awful.

Hmmm. It almost sounds like you two were fine before this but this one infraction soiled everything.

It makes sense that you are offended by this behavior but people make mistakes. It could be the magnitude of your feelings is exaggerated right now because of your recent loss.

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Ive been with the flu for 3 days now and I wont let it get me down.

I don't feel that way. And ironically i still live with my parents. Maybe too much else has changed.

My mom is great and caring. But she does this thing where she'll tell me to do things that i was going to do anyway. Or i'll have an idea, say it, and then she'll say the same thing i just said back to me like it was her idea.

Drives me CRAZY.

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What does it mean if a girl starts acting different around you?

Could mean anything. Could mean she's constipated. Offer her a laxative.

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How do you handle someone who calls you and asks for you by full name but refuses to identify whats its in regards to?

It could be a collections agency. My parents are refusing to pay an accidental bill that a company is refusing to acknowledge is accidental. Companies hire collection agencies to try and collect said bills in this situation. Unfortunately, for some reason, my phone number was on the account.

So, I kept getting calls from a collections agency and everytime they would refuse to say who they were until I told them my name (which happens to be the same as my dad, who's on name is on the account). It took them forever to get me off their list.

I don't blame you for refusing to say that you are who they are asking for. I suppose the system is to protect privacy, but you can say who you are without disclosing personal information, it's really idiotic.

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My dad never taught me anything.

When people tell me stories about them and their dads growing up it makes me sad cus me and my dad never had a warm relationship.

Culturally enforced masculinity is probably just one major cause for this. Also komodo dragon males are absent from the rearing process.

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