If you meet the Buddha on the road, kill him
Some very interesting quotes from "If You Meet the Buddha on the Road, Kill Him: The Pilgrimage Of Psychotherapy" by Sheldon B. Kopp.
“You can't make anyone love you. You just have to reveal who you are and take your chances.”
“Love is more than simply being open to experiencing the anguish of another person's suffering. It is the willingness to live with the helpless knowing that we can do nothing to save the other from his pain.”
“He prefers the security of known misery to the misery of unfamiliar insecurity.”
“Everything good is costly, and the development of the personality is one of the most costly of all things. It will cost you your innocence, your illusions, your certainty.”
“There appear to be many people who chose to go crazy (or become alcoholics, addicts, criminals, suicides) rather than have to bear the pain and ambiguity of a life situation that they have decided that they cannot stand.”
“All of the truly important battles are waged within the self."
“It is not possible to know how much is just enough, until we have experienced how much is more than enough.”
“And so, it is not astonishing that, though the patient enters therapy insisting that he wants to change, more often than not, what he really wants is to remain the same and to get the therapist to make him feel better.”
Most interesting, indeed!
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Some very interesting quotes from "If You Meet the Buddha on the Road, Kill Him: The Pilgrimage Of Psychotherapy" by Sheldon B. Kopp¬
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“You can't make anyone love you. You just have to reveal who you are and take your chances.”¬
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“Love is more than simply being open to experiencing the anguish of another person's suffering. It is the willingness to live with the helpless knowing that we can do nothing to save the other from his pain.”¬
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“He prefers the security of known misery to the misery of unfamiliar insecurity.”¬
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“Everything good is costly, and the development of the personality is one of the most costly of all things. It will cost you your innocence, your illusions, your certainty.”¬
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“There appear to be many people who chose to go crazy (or become alcoholics, addicts, criminals, suicides) rather than have to bear the pain and ambiguity of a life situation that they have decided that they cannot stand.”¬
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“All of the truly important battles are waged within the self."¬
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“It is not possible to know how much is just enough, until we have experienced how much is more than enough.”¬
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“And so, it is not astonishing that, though the patient enters therapy insisting that he wants to change, more often than not, what he really wants is to remain the same and to get the therapist to make him feel better.”¬
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Most interesting, indeed!
“He prefers the security of known misery to the misery of unfamiliar insecurity.”
“Everything good is costly, and the development of the personality is one of the most costly of all things. It will cost you your innocence, your illusions, your certainty."
This is a freeking fact.
Okay. Meeting both of you together for an extended weekend is officially on my bucket list.
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Buddah looks like such a nice guy though. Never see him without a smile on his face... https://secure.img1-fg.wfcdn.com/im/22838053/re...
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You can't make someone love you, all you can do is hide in the bushes outside their house eating pizza in your underwear whilst watching them through the windows.
And didn't Buddha abandon his wife and 14 kids and start sleeping around? I know there are some crazy stories about him, he wasn't exactly an angel. Of course Jesus Christ's first miracle was turning barrels and barrels of water into wine so they could have a big party at a wedding.
Seriously.. if you tell that to some redneck Southern Baptists they'll want to start a fight. I mean how can they be against drinking if it's a miracle to turn water into wine????
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Southern Baptists celebrate communion with grape juice instead of wine.
I always thought that was a bit extreme.
Jesus didn't turn the water into grape juice at Cana--and he was known to drink wine Himself!
When a Church tries to set higher standards than God's--well, you don't get a good result!
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Southern Baptists celebrate communion with grape juice instead of wine.I always thought that was a bit extreme.
Jesus didn't turn the water into grape juice at Cana--and he was known to drink wine Himself!
When a Church tries to set higher standards than God's--well, you don't get a good result!
Kinda sticky though....
Hebriac, Jewish, Christian and even Muslim/Islamic faith all seem to acknowledge that the "age of accountability" begins at 12-years old... If the regulatory laws were to meet that standard, a landslide of issues would soon follow with it.
However, addressing communion from the simplest point, some (if not many) church members are reformed alcoholics - not to mention that many districts, counties and parishes have a zero tolerance policy.... Considering many people actually drive to church, the cops would have a field day.
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“And so, it is not astonishing that, though the patient enters therapy insisting that he wants to change, more often than not, what he really wants is to remain the same and to get the therapist to make him feel better.”
So true it hurts xD the amount of people i know that didnt go for the help but to be told theyre right/nothing wrong with them. usually ends up being a total waste of time and money for everyone
We drank real wine at communion at my church when I was a kid and I started taking communion when I was 12. So yeah the first time I ever drank alcohol it was given to me by a pastor in a public place and I was underage... those were the good old days.
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A fellow student in university told me that at his church, he was to have held the chalice containing the communion wine, and that he downed it all in one big gulp.
The pastor asked him why he emptied the chalice. My friend replied, "The Scripture says, 'Drink ye all of it!'"
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So true it hurts xD the amount of people i know that didn't go for the help but to be told they're right/nothing wrong with them. usually ends up being a total waste of time and money for everyone
The reason ALL of my friends in the mental health field left it: people just wanted to talk about their problems, while doing nothing to solve them.
It would be like taking your car to a mechanic, and just wanting to tell him what was wrong with it instead of getting it fixed.
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ProffVampy wrote:
So true it hurts xD the amount of people i know that didn't go for the help but to be told they're right/nothing wrong with them. usually ends up being a total waste of time and money for everyoneThe reason ALL of my friends in the mental health field left it: people just wanted to talk about their problems, while doing nothing to solve them.
It would be like taking your car to a mechanic, and just wanting to tell him what was wrong with it instead of getting it fixed.
when i went and had CBT i was so ready to take on everything my therapist had to say. but then i already knew that i wasnt 'right' for feeling that way and my thoughts and feelings werent able to be logically validated. mightve been one of the reasons she was so engaged with me because she didnt get many patients actually wanting to get better!
it is something i dread going into the profession is just no one wanting the help. ive had it alot with friends who come to me for advice, ill give them however many options and it doesnt matter how good an option is theres a reason it wont work, or they cant do it etc etc.
but my hope is that with mental health becomming more 'popular' and accepted that in the enar future that'll be less of the case.
The hardest thing to do with someone suffering from depression is to get them to get help.
Others, with mental illness issues that are so plain to those around them, refuse to admit they have a problem.
My friends in the mental health field told me about seeing the same people, week after week, who would talk about the same problems. And those people never did anything to improve their situations.
I am reminded of women with abusive boyfriends. Most of us here know how difficult it is to get a woman to leave an abuser. As Kopp so succinctly stated--with a tiny edit on my part: “He/she prefers the security of known misery to the misery of unfamiliar insecurity.”
Addicts, alcoholics, people with depression, people with personality disorders--helping them is like pulling teeth without anesthesia!
very true. having been on both sides of the coin i completely see why people dont always want the help. it either just doesnt feel worth the effort because how good could it really get anyway? or like you said the familiarity of the shitty situation seems safer, easier and better than going into the unknown.
th only reason i was able to sort myself out was because i realised what i was doing and that i didnt want to be that way anymore. it wasnt getting me anywhere and it never would! i chose wisely methinks
thats the plan yeh! hopefully i'll get people as keen as me to sort themselves out and do better :)
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thats the plan yeh! hopefully i'll get people as keen as me to sort themselves out and do better :)
You could always set up a "revolving couch" like the "Demon Barber of Fleet Street," who was known as Sweeney Todd. If you had a recalcitrant patient, you could push a button, and the couch would revolve through the floor and dump the recalcitrant patient into the sewer below!
Turning the recalcitrant patients into meat pies would, of course, be optional.
Don't forget to check out "Forbidden Planet" for a wonderful cinematic depiction of "monsters from the id"!
ahahah that sounds like a great idea. or put them in a senario where theyd see accepting the help would be the lesser of two evils xD
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