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Husb and I are, at this very minute, having a debate. Help!¬ ¬ HrHe says freshmen are not high schoolers. I say fresh., soph., jr., and sr. Have been high schoolers since the dawn of the educational institution... in the USA at the very least.

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Freshman ARE high schoolers.
That's not the real debate.

The REAL debate is; 6th graders are NOT Jr. High material...(or "middle school" since they clipped the nuts of education).

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^^^ Agree on both points^^^^

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9th grade is the first year of high school. Pretty sure Google could resolve this debate.

I grew up in a school system that had 9th grade housed in the junior high schools due to space limitations in the high school buildings, but the grades and credits went into the high school records.

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Freshmen are considered high school by the educational system.

However, many (most?) schools “house” Freshmen in “Middle” schools due to a lack of space and funding. Which is generally why confusing around the subject comes up.

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smiley wrote:
9th grade is the first year of high school. Pretty sure Google could resolve this debate.

I grew up in a school system that had 9th grade housed in the junior high schools due to space limitations in the high school buildings, but the grades and credits went into the high school records.

Yep. I googled. He still insisted freshmen are not "high school" students🤣

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He says, "well, where I went to school, they were not IN (the actual) high school (building)"

I said, "doesn't matter. Still in high school. They might keep them out of the actual high school building due to 9th graders being so young and possibly bullied. But they ARE high school students, from a NATIONAL standpoint"

Him: "Nope. Not in my city...."


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I went to two schools, one was k-6 and the second was 7-12.. the 7th and 8th graders were upstairs away from the older kids at the second school and ate lunch at a separate time and everything. They did a good job of keeping 18 year old boys away from 12 year old girls. But yeah it was a junior and senior high school and the junior high school was the upstairs part for 7th and 8th grade. I always considered that there were 4 years of high school. Freshman, sophomore, junior, senior... your husband's wrong but you already knew that. ha ha ha

He does have a valid point though. In the nearest real city to where I grew up they had "middle schools" that were 7th 8th and 9th, and the two high schools only had sophomores, juniors, and seniors... so it was kind of like that in my city too.

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The best answer to stubborn refusal to admit error is to "agree to disagree".

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What does one call an eighth grader? Nothing.
Everything below a Freshman is just a number.
Actual titles are given only to rising senior status.

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Middle schools have 2 years of students (7 and 8) and high schools have 4 years. It makes the most sense to balance those out because otherwise you’ll be totally overflowing in some schools and ghost towns in others.

Plus like others said- the 4 year age gap at that age can be dangerous.

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DocteurRalph wrote:
I went to two schools, one was k-6 and the second was 7-12.. the 7th and 8th graders were upstairs away from the older kids at the second school and ate lunch at a separate time and everything. They did a good job of keeping 18 year old boys away from 12 year old girls. But yeah it was a junior and senior high school and the junior high school was the upstairs part for 7th and 8th grade. I always considered that there were 4 years of high school. Freshman, sophomore, junior, senior... your husband's wrong but you already knew that. ha ha ha

He does have a valid point though. In the nearest real city to where I grew up they had "middle schools" that were 7th 8th and 9th, and the two high schools only had sophomores, juniors, and seniors... so it was kind of like that in my city too.

Yeah, in my town, elementary school was k-4. Intermediate school was 5-6, middle school 7-8, there was a freshman campus for 9th grade, and then a big campus for 10-12th graders. Grades and buildings are organized differently in different towns -- but when it comes down to it, freshman is always the first of four years of something.

I mean, hey, does he think freshmen in college aren't college students?

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When I was in high school in the late sixties, none of us ever referred to ourselves as freshmen while in the 9th grade. We did refer to ourselves as sophomores, juniors and seniors in the 10th, 11th and 12th grades, respectively. The term "freshman" came into conversation again only when I entered university. I remember finding out that 50% of freshmen flunked out of university during the first year. I was determined that I would not be one of them!

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I think the term "freshman" is, by implication, meaning you are the freshman of some institution.

In my school system, 9th graders, who are traditionally high school freshman, were seniors, because 9th grade was included in my junior high and 10th grade was freshmen for hs. (they changed it eventually to the normal set up). Maybe that's why your husband is getting confused? Could be his hs was set up differently.

In any case, I think freshman means that it's your first year, regardless of grade. So in a school that includes 1st grade through 12th, 1str graders are freshmen, since it's their first year in that institution.

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