Money / debt help.
Due to increased bank charges, all I'm paying is interest and fines to my bank, there's nothing left to pay off any of what I owe.
I'm already working all the extra shifts I can.
I've just opened a new bank account today to use as my main one, in the hope I could freeze my old one and pay it off in instalments.
My bank said no.
What you need to do is to consolidate all your debts into one and pay off the lone over time.... without the fines the repayments will be manageable.
Make a appointment to see someone about this at your current bank.
This is assuming your debt is over a number of cards vet.
To consolidate is kind of taking a loan to pay everything off, then paying that loan off at lower amounts than the original.
I've been turned down for a Loan now.
My bank aren't being helpful at all.
They are going to continue with the daily fines while I still owe them money.
Anything i do that writes off part of my debt will stay on my record effecting my credit.
Officially declaring myself in debt or bancrupt will effect my job and guarantee I won't het the new job I'm aiming towards.
Yea I should probs try that
Banks even over here (US) are often unwilling to help their account owners with paying off old debt. Mainly because you have to pay more to them over time and they don't want to lose that profit. You were wise to leave that bank and go to another.
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Ya, but leaving it isn't working out so well...
I owe X amount for my overdraft, but now they're adding a daily fine for using it.
I am permanently in the O/D.
I owe X amount on my credit card.
What was left at end of the month went towards paying these off.
Now with the daily fine there's nothing left, so nothing paid off O/D and only interest paid off C/C
The last few months I've worked extra shifts.
Overtime.wont always be available and the 1st month I can't get extra shifts these charges are gonna put me over my agreed O/D limit.
If I go over it's ยฃ35 a day.
I'll never get out of that.
I can't close the account while I owe them.
I can't get a loan to consolidate.
When I move my wage payments to the new bank, the old one will continue with the daily fine and take me over the limit.
To get the account frozen, which is what I wanted, will screw my credit rating and maybe effect my job.
I saw the trap of the banking system and credit cards when I was a teenager. I have refused debt and ANY form of credit. Your situation is a testimony as to the reason why.
Sophie wrote:
What you need to do is to consolidate all your debts into one and pay off the lone over time.... without the fines the repayments will be manageable
There are variations of doing this. You cannot look to the same financial institutions that has you enslaved, for the solution.
Find someone or a group of "someones" who would be willing to help you pay off at least one of your credit lines.... To which you will close that line, destroy that card and never return.
For those willing to hear, the Good Word says this when it come to borrowing money:
"The borrower is slave to the lender." That's a fact.
A person can live and survive being broke BUT you can't do that when you're in debt...with intrest-bearing charges.
People complain they don't make enough at their jobs but in reality, if they weren't enslaved to debt, what little they're paid turns out to be an incredible amount.
Fractional reserve lending is evil, but that's what they do.
If I could force every person they ever brainwashed to stop using credit, I would. Every person should look at credit as something beneath them - because it is.
Try like he!! to get your debts paid off.
There is no such thing as "responsible" credit or debt. People who think "they've got this," are kidding themselves and toying with fire - period. If what they claim is true, then they should manage all of their basic costs without debt or credit to begin with.
What would you prefer? To go without certain things for a time while you save your earnings, OR deliver the full sum of your financial life to the corporate banking system?
There's no in between.
Big-Al-One wrote:
If it could force every person they ever brainwashed to stop using credit, I would. Every person should look at credit as something beneath them - because it is.Try like he!! to get your debts paid off.
There is no such thing as "responsible" credit or debt. People who think "they've got this," are kidding themselves and toying with fire - period. If what they claim is true, then they should manage all of their basic costs without debt or credit to begin with.
What would you prefer? To go without certain things for a time while you save your earnings, OR deliver the full sum of your financial life to the corporate banking system?
There's no in between.
Actually, I disagree with this to a degree. There ARE ways to responsibly handle credit/debt.
For example, if you take out a loan to replace the HVAC system in your house, which is currently running heavy and using WAY more energy than necessary- it's a loan, but you're actually saving more money than the interest on the loan, as long as you make reasonable payments. (i.e., responsible debt management.)
Another case is "buying" a house. Yes, it's a HUGE amount of debt, but now you save a ton of money by skipping the middle man (a renter/landlord, which is essentially a lender). Paying off a mortgage is MUCH cheaper than paying rent. (Because your landlord is paying the mortgage, AND they want a little extra for pocket change/insurance in case the renter fails to make payments or trashes the house...)
And finally, the last case is debt consolidation. Like Sophie said- having a little bit of debt in many many places is recipe for disaster. Not only do you have to financially manage all of this, but mentally having to juggle all of those places is difficult. Even if you're paying small amounts in each place, which feels better than a large sum dropping from your bank account- the small amounts add up FAST. Plus, if you aren't able to pay each place- you now suffer a fee from every collector on top of the interest. If all of your debt is in one company- even if you can't make the minimum payment, the fee is generally a flat rate and won't hurt as much as the fees from multiple places.
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All of that said, you might think it's better to avoid all debt in general, but life is full of surprises. You can't always be prepared for every situation. Building up a credit score will give you a softer cushion when the unexpected happens. So by putting yourself into "responsible" debt, you build up that cushion.
Responsible debt basically means you utilize credit cards and loans and such, but you never spend money you don't have. It's not something you can/should do if you're already IN debt- it's a way for a paycheck-to-paycheck person to build up credit and get that cushion. Somebody that's in debt already needs to follow the debt-consolidation and pay it down as much as possible, even if it means living a more than broke lifestyle.
I DO agree that banks and lending/collecting institutions are harsh and enforce harsher than necessary fees and such that essentially prey on making the weak weaker, but credit itself is essential for survival in a world that revolves around money. (Which I hate and wish we could change, but the fact is that's the world we live in.)
I think I would send a letter to the CEO of the bank, telling him that his underlings are guilty of usury, and that you are going to get the media involved. Tell them you plan to picket their bank.
These tactics work. I have used them myself. Nothing stops bad behaviour like the threat of being exposed. They will cave quickly!
I have already cut back loads.
I never go out.
I don't eat out.
I haven't bought myself anything, clothes / bags / shoes etc for the best part of 2 years
I live far from a lavish lifestyle.
How can I go about consolidating when I can't get a loan and my bank won't help and the new one won't lend me anything?
This may sound simple, but do you have credit unions over there? They are usually willing to help out the 'little guy' more so than the bigger banks.
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Rockster wrote:
For example, if you take out a loan to replace the HVAC system in your house -
(- record scratch -)
Financial planning and savings pays for the same system in cold hard cash. When bought, it's a done deal and there is no security greater than that. There is no promise you will wake up to a paying job tomorrow. By accepting a loan you become slave to the lender.
Rockster wrote:
Another case is "buying" a house. Yes, it's a HUGE amount of debt (but) Paying off a mortgage is MUCH cheaper than paying rent.
We live in world that has blurred the definition between what is "bought" and what is "loaned."
The only thing you're buying when it comes to taking out a loan to buy a house, is a payment that is usually spread out over a 30 year period. So now, you're not only a slave to the lender, you're a devoted slave, rendering decades of your life, and the house still isn't yours until you have paid it off.
Now, I will agree that these terms are somewhat better than renting (as you say avoiding the middle man), but in the big scheme of things, those who lease space aren't the real middle man - the bankers are. Sadly, the real reason for the inflation of housing cost are realitors who collect commissions for their services (which the cost is included in the next sale ad infintium).
Everyone is capable of managing their own transactions but don't do it. When you remit your abilities to a service, you inheritly give it the power to control a market you depend on.
And this is how the tail now wags the dog.
Having lived on paid off property has allowed me build my house out of pocket. There's a few things left undone but my work for it was finished decades ago. Now, things about the property itself have become the focus (like curb appeal and such).
Thatโs all great if youโve got the money in the bank to forward for house upgrades, or truly own the property you live on. But when you live paycheck to paycheck, you canโt afford to drop ANY sum of cash on an upgrade- even those that will save you money in the long run. So loans can help in those situations, but it all comes down to handling it responsibly. Donโt take a loan you know you wonโt be able to pay back or make payments on. Donโt spend money on a credit card that you donโt and wonโt have, etc. the problem with credit is that people struggle to use it properly. The point of credit cards is to build interest and burn you- but that system is easily abusable to work in your favor. You play the system like they try to play you and you win. Find the 0% APR cards, charge them up and pay it off before the intro comes in. Then let sit and do a small charge every couple of months on it so that it doesnโt cancel and pay it off immediately. No interest accrues when you pay it off before the next cycle. Having multiple lines of credit builds your score quickly. Which, like most scores, is a game. You can play it if youโre careful, but there is definitely a risk that you have to be careful with.
I'm so sorry this is happening to you. I don't know what to tell you other than to maybe contact a credit counseling service....
I know once when I was in debt badly and couldn't pay, I contacted the credit card company directly and they put me on a payment plan and lowered the interest.....
You know what really makes my blood boil? It's financial institutions that keep kicking someone when they're down! You have people trying to pay off debts, but they are hit with late payment fees, penalties, extra interest charges--you name it! And the lenders so often do not want to be reasonable!
The underlings you have dealt with don't want to go to their bosses and ask for a better deal. They just want to keep sticking it to you. I would write a letter to the CEO and tell him to either work with you--or you will go to the media with the sordid tale of his company's dealings!
I guarantee you that if you had the media there while picketing and handing out flyers, they would settle fast!
Pay day today.
Paid 4 weekly.
Just checked my wage and ยฃ506 has been taken from it for a court order.
I am absolutely ******fucked now.
I was already getting right to the limit in my account in the run ups to pay day, now with being 500 short there's no way all essential payments can be made.
You know, kid, what you have right now is a replay of Charles Dickens' England.
The time has come to consult a bankruptcy attorney.
And there is no shame in it. You have been bled dry over the years by high interest payments and immoral fees.
Get a bankruptcy judgment and wipe the slate clean. There are many billionaires in the US who have declared bankruptcy multiple times in the past.
You have labour laws in the UK that should protect you from losing your job over a bankruptcy.
See that attorney and shove those payments up their dorsal orifices!
My job is one that I can lose due to bancrupsy.
Turns out court orders can cause me to lose my job.
I can also kiss goodbye to the new job I was going for as they won't even consider a person with court orders or big financial issues.
How is it they can legally discriminate like that?
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soco wrote:
How is it they can legally discriminate like that?
Usually in a job where you could be open to blackmail. Like high security places and military etc.
Before bankruptcy I would seriously consider the helpline. They will be able to the best advice before you do anything.
Bankruptcy doesn't have the stigma it used to. When you declare bankruptcy, virtually all debts are erased, so there's really no longer a basis for blackmailing or extorting a person.
But contact the helpline in your country. You should also try "pro bono" legal services. Surely there is a legal aid society there that provides free legal advice and services. Quite often a letter from a lawyer is enough to stop some outfit from persecuting you.
Once you become someone that it costs them to mess with, they stop messing with you.
Nix wrote:
soco wrote:
How is it they can legally discriminate like that?Usually in a job where you could be open to blackmail. Like high security places and military etc.
Before bankruptcy I would seriously consider the helpline. They will be able to the best advice before you do anything.
Correct nix.
And because the court order was taken right from my wage, my employers obviously now know what's going on.
I have been talking with a debt advice company, I wad initially going to be going with an individual voluntary arrangement, but after pointing out I was just about keeping my head above water before all the bank charges got out of control, it looks like a debt management plan may be the way to go, that way I don't have to get rid of my car, but it will freeze the bank charges so I'm just paying towards what's owed at a manageable rate.
Any time I need to go see the bank, citizens advice, or anyone else to try to deal with this, I have to play sick to get a day off work, which will lead to a lower pay, which adds to the problem.
It's a massive pain in the arse, one problem leads to another.
Owing a solicitor for their terrible advice that lead to me paying a fortune for my divorce has lead to a court order that's going to land any time now, so no way I can get more legal advice.
It may not seem like it Joe but there is a reason you are going through this period in your life. There is a lesson to be learned although you may not see the exit to this at this time. Focus. Seek strong advice and don't just dismiss someone's answers because of personal feelings.
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The reason I'm going through this is because I messed up massively and ruined my life, and I've ended up like this trying to sort it out
I haven't dismissed anyone's suggestions, I've taken them all on board.
In this world I am a complete mess
In another world I'm having a great life
im paying off my debts .. thank god i never went on a spending spree eh a small one maybe. i know a friend who did, filed bankruptcy.. a big debt was erased. +50k took 2-5 yrs before his credit was back on track.. only thing is on a major loan .. your bk is on record. so if its gonna be forever after you are dead to pay off it.. seek the other option.
My new bank have said they will prob lend me the money to pay off the old bank so I can be rid of these daily fines and close it.
I'm not sure which is the best option, borrow from new bank, or go with a debt management plan.
No idea how much the new bank will want paying each month towards the loan, I have a meeting with them this week.
J.N-Bucking wrote:
My new bank have said they will prob lend me the money to pay off the old bank so I can be rid of these daily fines and close it.I'm not sure which is the best option, borrow from new bank, or go with a debt management plan.
No idea how much the new bank will want paying each month towards the loan, I have a meeting with them this week.
Hopefully the new bank will give you a low interest rate and a decent time span to get the loan paid off (and whenever you have extra money, put it toward that debt to get it paid off faster)
Debt management is a good option, too, though.
You just need to compare the terms between the two programs carefully (interest rates; length of time to repay; late payment clauses; balloon payments; prepayment penalties; any other penalties; etc)
Then you can get back on track and it will feel great to be debt free.
We actually have a ****shit ton of debt right now, too. It sucks.....
Right- it didn't go very well with the new bank.
They're not likely to lend me the money to pay off the old bank, and if they're to consider it they want a copy of my contract to prove my hours and salary.
I have been denied my original contract since I started here.
I've been hounding management for it today, they say they.dont have my original contract on file and sent me a generic blank one so it doesn't have my salary in it, or my actual hours, just the basic 48 hrs that none of us do.
Because my last wage was 500 short due to the court order being taken out, providing the pay slips requested has done more damage than good.
I attempted getting a salary loan that's supposed to be accepted within 20 mins, but they've just said they'll get back to me in 2 days.
To get a loan from the original bank to pay off, it would be over 9000 paid back for a 5000 loan, and also they're unlikely to lend it to me.
The DMP say they can't take my case on since it's just 1 debt.
I think you should really consider bankruptcy. Do not assume any consequences; get the facts.
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I'm going to CAB today (free legal advice service) to see what options are left.
Bankruptcy needs to be the last option as it will have a very damaging effect on my job.
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