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Do people really change?

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Jebus-Zeus wrote:
no

Can you back this with supporting evidence?

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Jebus-Zeus wrote:
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Can you back this with supporting evidence?

A zebra never changes his stripes. A leopard can’t change her spots. People don’t change, they just reveal their real selves over time. Are these statements common wisdom or gross misunderstandings of human nature?

What about the Frog and the Scorpion? A popular story told to explain that people can’t change their basic nature begins with the Scorpion asking the Frog for a ride across the river. The Frog responds, “Are you kidding? Of course not! I know you, Scorpion, and you would sting me and I’d die. No way will I carry you on my back!”

The Scorpion challenges the Frog, “Why would I do that? If I sting you and you die, we both drown. You have nothing to fear by carrying me across the river.” The Frog decides that what the Scorpion said makes sense, so he agrees to the request.

Midway across the river, the Scorpion stings the Frog. As the Frog gasps his last breath before drowning, he implores the Scorpion, “Why? Why did you sting me, knowing we will both drown?” The Scorpion replies, “It’s my nature.”

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Oh yeah. People definitely change.
Every single day.
Mostly to suit others in some way.
But, nonetheless...change is inevitable.
So, yes.

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I'd say mostly deteriorate both in their bodies and mind..

But God of the Bible can change people's hearts and minds..

In my case it is a painstakingly slooooow process, but there is a slight improvement.. before I mess everything up again..

The joke goes:
She marries him as she thinks that he will change; but he never does..
He marries her as he thinks that she will never change; but she does..

https://www.therapy-on-line.com/wp-content/uplo...

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It's more a matter of how long you intend to wait, and how much effort to invest, for the particular change to which you aspire.

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“We can’t keep waiting for a solution to come from the government.”

 Williams said she hoped that her keynote address, “Community Based Solutions to the Issue of Violence,” would leave the community fired up to make changes — changes that she has seen work firsthand.

“Start with the women and follow them because when you give women a voice great things happen,” she said. “I’m not sexist in any way — sexism is another form of violence and there are many great men in this world. I’m taking my Daddy’s advice because he always told me that women think first with their hearts, and then their heads. After that, he said, ‘You’d better step out of their way.’”

Gang violence can be stopped, Williams said, but not from afar. Getting close to those involved in violence is an important component in promoting peace. She told the story of John Irwin, an 18-year-old IRA member who walked into her office in 1976 intending to kill her.

“I saw his gun, and I saw that his hand was shaking,” Williams recalled. “So I jumped up and hit his hand. The gun went flying and he was stunned.”

Williams shoved the young man into a chair and told him she was not going to call the police.

“But I told him I was keeping his gun,” Williams said. “Then, I started seeing him hanging around the building. One day, he came in and I made him a cup of tea.”

Williams discovered that Irwin was so impressed with her courage that he was starting to think more and more about peace.

“He mistook my adrenaline for bravery,” she said. “We became very close and developed a mother-son kind of bond. And John Irwin became one of the greatest peace workers in Northern Ireland.”

By Betty Williams

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Only if they want to.

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The truth is that people very rarely change--that's why people who do change are often the subjects of novels and movies. In real life, it almost never happens.

People who drink keep on drinking. Smokers keep on smoking. Wife beaters keep beating their wives. Gamblers keep on gambling. Cheaters keep on cheating. Spenders keep on spending.

People CAN change--but most simply don't.

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Jebus-Zeus wrote:

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Jebus-Zeus wrote:
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Can you back this with supporting evidence?

A zebra never changes his stripes. A leopard can’t change her spots. People don’t change, they just reveal their real selves over time. Are these statements common wisdom or gross misunderstandings of human nature?

What about the Frog and the Scorpion? A popular story told to explain that people can’t change their basic nature begins with the Scorpion asking the Frog for a ride across the river. The Frog responds, “Are you kidding? Of course not! I know you, Scorpion, and you would sting me and I’d die. No way will I carry you on my back!”

The Scorpion challenges the Frog, “Why would I do that? If I sting you and you die, we both drown. You have nothing to fear by carrying me across the river.” The Frog decides that what the Scorpion said makes sense, so he agrees to the request.

Midway across the river, the Scorpion stings the Frog. As the Frog gasps his last breath before drowning, he implores the Scorpion, “Why? Why did you sting me, knowing we will both drown?” The Scorpion replies, “It’s my nature.”

But I'm not asking about physical changes. I was referring to psychological, emotional changes. Personality changes. You can't tell if a Zebra has changed it's personality by its physical appearance.

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twosocks wrote:

But I'm not asking about physical changes. I was referring to psychological, emotional changes. Personality changes. You can't tell if a Zebra has changed it's personality by its physical appearance.

I presume you meant POSITIVE changes..

These are rare, but possible.. I have seen and heard myriads of testimonies from people how God of the Bible changed them - they repented living a sinful life and God changed their hearts, minds, and lives..

I am very much interested in Biblical counselling principles.

Btw, if positive change was not possible, why would there be so many psychologists, therapists, life coaches, guru's etc? They all work with different principles though..

There is hope.. but one must be careful it is not a 'blind ' hope..

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Mya wrote:

twosocks wrote:

But I'm not asking about physical changes. I was referring to psychological, emotional changes. Personality changes. You can't tell if a Zebra has changed it's personality by its physical appearance.

I presume you meant POSITIVE changes..

These are rare, but possible.. I have seen and heard myriads of testimonies from people how God of the Bible changed them - they repented living a sinful life and God changed their hearts, minds, and lives..

I am very much interested in Biblical counselling principles.

Btw, if positive change was not possible, why would there be so many psychologists, therapists, life coaches, guru's etc? They all work with different principles though..

There is hope.. but one must be careful it is not a 'blind ' hope..

Positive, negative. Or neutral. Just, changes. Changes in personality, changes in cognitive behavior. Behavior in general.

I'm not asking about biblical changes - anyone can do terrible acts, ask for forgiveness, and then change their ways. I mean fundamentally do people really change, into an entirely different person, or is just the same person deciding to act differently? And is that even two different things?

I guess it's a kind of difficult question to ask. Maybe even more than to find an answer. Sometimes I wonder if I am the same person now that I was when I was 20, 15, 7, or 3 years of age. I wonder if I will always be the "same" or if I have truly changed over time. Sometimes I feel like I am different, sometimes I feel as if I am the same. I guess it's just a series of development and I won't ever know for sure, uncertain thoughts.

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twosocks wrote:

Positive, negative. Or neutral. Just, changes. Changes in personality, changes in cognitive behavior. Behavior in general.

Well, negative changes.. have you heard about mental health issues? Personality disorders might not be 'treatable', however I have my theories.. Behaviour is easier to change than personality.

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I'm not asking about biblical changes - anyone can do terrible acts, ask for forgiveness, and then change their ways. I mean fundamentally do people really change, into an entirely different person, or is just the same person deciding to act differently? And is that even two different things?

Really, easy?! Why is there so many unrepentant people around then..? Some people are pathological, which means they don't have conscience and don't care, or are happy to cause pain, suffering, or death..and they NEVER change.

I guess some people just change their behaviour, some completely change. I have done both; but like yourself I still feel like it is just me even if nothing what I do/say/feel etc. is the same anymore.

twosocks wrote:
I guess it's a kind of difficult question to ask. Maybe even more than to find an answer. Sometimes I wonder if I am the same person now that I was when I was 20, 15, 7, or 3 years of age. I wonder if I will always be the "same" or if I have truly changed over time. Sometimes I feel like I am different, sometimes I feel as if I am the same. I guess it's just a series of development and I won't ever know for sure, uncertain thoughts.

I hope you are not the same as you were when you were 3! ;D

I am not a philosopher, or a psychiatrist, and if you want things more complicated, research what trauma can cause to a human brain/behaviour..

And btw, is there any particular reason why you are concerned with this right now? I really would want to be a different person to my past self.. trauma free. However, I can not even imagine it :((

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Oh, found this on fb a few days ago (people battling trauma might relate)

https://scontent-lht6-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/3...

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